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#1 2024-06-04 17:22:03

woodbine
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Is There A Problem With Scudo Nearside Outer CV Boots?

I've got a huge problem with something that should be so simple. All attempts by 2 garages and myself to get a new n/side outer cv boot to stay in place and not come adrift on the large/outer end clip have ended in failure. Now on boot number 5 including the original. The story so far -

Boot 1 - the original from new, lasted 18 years before it split and needed replacement

Boot 2 - less flexible plastic type pattern boot fitted by garage. Large clip disappeared after fitting. Next new clip still attached, but boot has pulled out of it. Tried a third clip, but this one disappeared as well.

Boot 3 - decided to try a universal softer rubber stretch boot fitted by me. Lasted about a month before completely splitting all around it's circumference just inboard of the large clip

Boot 4 - Rigid plastic type pattern boot fitted by gearbox specialist. Within a week the boot had pulled out of the large clip

Boot 5 - Went back to gearbox specialist and they tried an OEM genuine Fiat boot, which is the softer rubber type this time. Lasted about 10 days before the large clip disappeared - yet again!!! Van going back on Thursday for them to have another look.

I'm tearing my hair out with this one. Does anyone have any experience of cv boots on Scudos, particularly nearside, being such a big problem? It seems almost like the boots maybe too short and are straining in the clips maybe on max steering lock. But that's just my guess? Any thoughts - please!!

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#2 2024-06-04 17:40:18

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Re: Is There A Problem With Scudo Nearside Outer CV Boots?

I'd double check lower control arm all joints for play, as definitely shouldn't be that bad.
Also, check for play in the wheel bearing, failing that, the clip, that holds drive shaft in the transmission is worn out- missing and shaft slides in too deep, pulling it out of hub/stump/mount

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#3 2024-06-04 17:56:23

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Re: Is There A Problem With Scudo Nearside Outer CV Boots?

Ask the garage to check has the retaining spring clip round the shaft. If not when turning right the CV joint can run up the shaft a few CM almost to the point of jumping off. If this is the case then your boot will be stretching on almost every corner.

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#4 2024-06-05 17:09:45

woodbine
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Re: Is There A Problem With Scudo Nearside Outer CV Boots?

Thanks to both of you for your replies and some ideas of what may be causing it. Obviously something unusual is happening. Will poss suggest some further investigations with garage.

If a clip is installed that's fitted normally, the boot just pulls out of it. When I fitted boot no 3 myself, I made sure that there wasn't any grease on the lip of the boot that fits over joint or any grease on the outside of joint where boot fits onto. Then I crimped the clip on with the correct tool super tight. In this case, the boot obviously couldn't pull out from clip, so it tore right through around it's circumference in no time. So whether the clip is normal or extra tightness it makes no odds. All leads to what you are saying - the shaft may be pulling on the joint because something is worn.

Taking the van back to the gearbox specialists that fitted the last boot. Their work has always been faultless in the past and they have a good reputation. This makes me think that it's highly unlikely they have fitted the clip wrongly twice on the latest new boot - an OEM genuine Fiat part.

Watch this space!    sad

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#5 2024-06-05 19:34:28

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Re: Is There A Problem With Scudo Nearside Outer CV Boots?

if you can, use a jubilee hose clamp. then damn annoying clips the cv boots come with never seem to work and i have the tension and crimp tool for it!

pretty sure its what i am using on my van.. i know my old panda 4x4 is using them to hold the bots on haha. they look a mess / bodge but im afraid the results dont lie.


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#6 2024-06-07 00:22:53

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Re: Is There A Problem With Scudo Nearside Outer CV Boots?

JohnDragonMan wrote:

if you can, use a jubilee hose clamp.

Don't know if you noticed John, but the boot split when the clip held.

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#7 2024-06-07 17:22:56

woodbine
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Re: Is There A Problem With Scudo Nearside Outer CV Boots?

Thanks again for your replies. I think I'll be putting on a new shaft before resorting to jubilee clips.


To the garage today, again. roll

Dropped van off early this morning. Bloke on reception said they would take shaft off, strip, degrease, inspect, reassemble and regrease. Then fit yet another (number 7!!!!!! ) new boot - another OEM Fiat item. Then take it for extended test drive, stopping off in a car park for some circular, full-lock action.

Picked it up in afternoon and they said they had done eveything they said and no problems. So far.

As ever, very grateful for everyone's help and advice on this one. Watch this space!

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#8 2024-06-07 17:35:31

woodbine
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Re: Is There A Problem With Scudo Nearside Outer CV Boots?

OAT wrote:
JohnDragonMan wrote:

if you can, use a jubilee hose clamp.

Don't know if you noticed John, but the boot split when the clip held.

Yes, when I went Incredible Hulk with the crimper on the ear of clip and made sure no grease under boot where it's clamped on - it just tore right around next to the clip in no time.

Photo isn't my cv, just for illustration purposes of where it tore.

Split-CV.jpg

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#9 2024-06-07 23:00:38

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Re: Is There A Problem With Scudo Nearside Outer CV Boots?

When i was saying retaining clip i was meaning this (Video) Like i say the CV joint can move up and down the shaft a few CM. Not all fall off gladly as i never had one on the O/S CV joint on my Maxus.


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#10 2024-06-08 00:43:33

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Re: Is There A Problem With Scudo Nearside Outer CV Boots?

I wonder if the issue is the the CV joint is a touch longer than the OEM one, meaning your OEM boots fall off/split when forced into the larger size?


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#11 2024-06-08 10:28:16

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Re: Is There A Problem With Scudo Nearside Outer CV Boots?

Casper wrote:

When i was saying retaining clip i was meaning this (Video) Like i say the CV joint can move up and down the shaft a few CM. Not all fall off gladly as i never had one on the O/S CV joint on my Maxus.


Yes, thanks Casper. I realised what you were referring to, and asked them to have a look.


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#12 2024-06-08 10:32:56

woodbine
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Re: Is There A Problem With Scudo Nearside Outer CV Boots?

kenbw2 wrote:

I wonder if the issue is the the CV joint is a touch longer than the OEM one, meaning your OEM boots fall off/split when forced into the larger size?

Thanks, Ken. The cv joint is original from factory. I've had the van since 2.5 years old, so know it's never been changed.

However it will be heading for the bin the second this latest boot pulls out or splits.  devil


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