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So the other night I tried to start the van (when it was freezing cold). Turned it over for a couple of seconds and then stopped it, cycled the ignition, waited a couple of secs for the heater plugs to heat up, started it and bam, the hazard lights start flashing constantly. There was a smell of electrical burning, so a short somewhere?
This isn't the hazard light system as both the hazard lights and indicators work even if the hazard lights are flashing. The nearest i could describe it too is like when a car alarm goes off and all the indicator lights flash, except i don't have an alarm AFAIK.
So the other thing is this seems to be related to voltage fluctuations. When the engine is running it doesn't flash, when I kill the engine, get out and lock it, it doesn't flash, but when i unlock and reopen it and get back in (and the interior light comes on) it starts flashing again (for about 10 secs).
Worst part is the MOT is next month. Although technically whether it will fail is unknown since the hazard lights and indicators do work, regardless of the problem.
Any ideas? I did wonder whether to cut off the indicator relay and wire it directly from somewhere else (and if the problem turned out to be something more serious and expensive, I may still do that) and bypass whatever is energising it currently.
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hey there, the first thing i would try is unplugging the indicator relay under the steering column. if it is some unknown old alarm it will still flash the hazards as that old alarm unit would be flashing them.
you could always try changing the relay out too. the lights on alarm and indicator relay are right next to each other (i have changed both of mine, my indicator relay has an adjustable flash speed as i am fully LED all around now apart from headlights and the door open alarm plays a chiptune version of hold the line by toto.. i love modding things.)
i wonder if its an earthing issue with those two "relays"
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I'm not against putting a new earth point in somewhere. I wondered if it was that. If it's an old alarm, that would be annoying. i know this van came with central locking when it was first made, but even after replacing the battery in the fob it doesn't work, so maybe it also came with an alarm. I was really hoping to not have to remove the entire dash. I think the relay can be accessed by removing the drivers side vent by the windscreen, at least that's where the clicking is coming from.
Anyway, going to have a look on Sunday.
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well thats interesting as the indicator relay is under the steering column near where the steering wheel adjuster is.
i would take off that bottom panel (only a few screws as i remember) then look up with a torch. if i was wiring in an after market alarm, that is where i would put it. you can get access to all of the wires coming out of the body control module (the thing that is meant to do the central locking.. mine does not work also) its located just to the right of the steering wheel when you take that trim panel off.
my guess is that its going to be some after market alarm system managed to arm its self. hopefully its a box that has a plug on it and you can just unplug it. i have fitted loads of alarms in the past and most have them. if all else fails, just plug it back in, find the wires going to the indicators and disconnect them.
if you go digging, let me know what alarm it is..
- JohnDragonMan
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I'm leaning more towards your assessment. It sounds like a second relay is clicking, because if i run an indicator at the same time the relay for them sounds like its just under the console and i have two different sets of clicking, which I think points to another relay. The wiring behind the dash is well, it's like a rats nest of wires.
So do I need to remove the top of the dash, if so how? I know there are 2 bolts, one under each of the detachable panels left and right of the dash and I'm guessing some more on the underside. Going to have a good look at it this afternoon. With a torch. Something is draining the battery, it's probably this alarm.
I'll let you know one way or the other.
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So the flashing lights mostly stopped. But it is an alarm. I also can't easily get to it from below (read that as full stop). My guess is it's sat on top of the loom below the windscreen, based on the clicking sound from the relay, plus it would make sense to put it there. So being naive, I thought well if I remove the 6 bolts from the top dash it should just lift off and I can just access it directly. In a perfect world that would be how you do it, but this isn't a modern van (nor a perfect world). So how to get the top of the dash off. Do I need to remove a gazillion screws (of which all seem to be different sizes, head types, lengths) to do it? Initially I tried to get up by removing the fascia below the steering wheel and shoving my hand up into the gubbins. Next i tried removing the instrument console (and found a steel plate behind it).
John, your air con video doesn't show how you got the top of the dash off. You said there were 6 bolts, but it still doesn't come off after removing them, so guessing there are more somewhere on it, or is it a brute force type removal?
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hmmmm i will say that i have forgotten where they all are, however i remember removing air vents to get to hidden bolts and side panels that you can only access when you open the doors.
ill look through my videos and see if i can see the mounting points, should help me remember.
yes, 3x 10mm bolts under the air vents. well, the 2x side vents and that one blanked off vent in the middle. the whole thing then comes towards you and lifts out. however you do need to undo the plastic surrounding the instrument cluster.
pulling the vents out can be hard but they do just pull out. the aid of a large flat blade screwdriver worked for me then just work them out one side then the other. also gives you the opportunity to fix them if the direction adjusters are broken like mine were. they all clip together so easy to fix. i think there is a video on youtube of how to take the dash out. i have not watched it as i just practiced on a taxi that was going for scrap.
i hope this is of some help..
- JohnDragonMan
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Yeah it is. The instrument cluster plastic was probably the issue. I removed the 6 bolts under the various covers and vents, but something was still holding it in place. Will try it again tomorrow. My guess on the alarm is it's a medium cost type that arms on a fob, but I have no fob. There is an led middle of the dash that flashes when the engine is off, probably part of it, plus down the side of the windscreen are ultrasonic sensors x2 and the rest of it triggers when any door is opened. Hopefully I will have a better idea tomorrow. But so far, no audible alarm has been heard. It just flashes the indicators.
My intention is to disconnect the relay part of it, so the indicators no longer flash. I will make the assumption it's been spliced into the loom and if it has, the loom will need to be repaired which i'm honestly not going to do tomorrow. Not really in the mood for crimping and rejoining all the wires yet.
Anyway thanks. Will let everyone know how it goes.
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my hope is that it is an old Toad alarm. you can just unplug the main connector off the alarm box and it will disable it. if the immobiliser part of it was still connected it would have already stopped the engine from starting so its safe to say that it is already disconnected from that side of things. i know how to bypass them anyway. its quite easy.
i used to take after market alarms out of cars going for scrap then resell them. often get it where cars were scrapped with both sets of keys and if not if the car had the original paperwork you could program a new fob up to the alarm.
if what you have is a Toad alarm, i may be able to get you a keyfob or two that you can program to that alarm. its not hard to do if you can read the alarms serial number.
- JohnDragonMan
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So a small resurrection. So with the recent cold weather came the return of the flashing lights and the broken alarm. So today i bit the bullet and started taking the dash apart. Just right of the steering column, cable tied to a bit of tubular steel was a black box. After I disconnected the plug from it, end of the annoying flashing lights. It's a Texalarm FAVA42. No idea of it, never heard of the brand, but sure you've across them, John.
So the van still worked after I unplugged it. looks like they spliced into the loom. I taped the header plug and two other wires up.
Thanks for the help and insight.
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That's interesting to know
I have a black box too, but apart from remote central locking no working alarm
I do have the wee red led on the dash which flashes when the engine is off, locked or not
One issue that exists and I haven't looked into yet is
when the van is locked and I unlock the door with a key not remote, there is a constant clicking
under the dash which has to be a relay.
I know it had a working alarm at one point as I see the sounder in the engine bay
I may try and disconnect the Texalarm box at some point to see if I can remove it and fit an alarm
I have control over
If my remote fails I'll be driven mad by the bloody clicking!
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So one thing i've noticed that isn't working is the light I installed on the top channel in the back. I went to switch it on a bit back while I fished around for something and nothing. It's this one. It was working last week and now isn't, but can't work out how disconnecting that plug has stopped it working. Maybe I have broken something in my ham fisted attempt to remove the dash.
I can still run a cable from the Leisure Battery if needs be and the main strip light still works.
@RegW, that clicking noise is what I had, except mine was triggering both indicator lights to flash, but not all the time. Sometimes you could hear the relay firing, but the lights didn't flash, like not enough power or amps was being produced to light them up.
Last year I managed to trigger the alarm. The voltage got really low on the battery and after I charged it back up, when i turned over the engine the lights started flashing and the horn started going off. Never happened since then. I also don't have a working fob so can't unlock without inserting the key. This might also have something to do with the fact the system has been uncoded. I can start the engine with the unchipped spare key.
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