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#1 Re: Camper Conversions » Minimum Cooking Facilities - Legislation and Guidance » 2019-11-12 21:23:06
Thank you for that update tee_cee. What a mess the DVLA has got itself into with the revised guidance!
This seems to be the nub of it - in a DVLA response to an FOI request:
"Whilst the internal specifications of a vehicle which has been converted as a 'Motor caravan' are
easily defined, when describing the external appearance DVLA applies a 'reasonableness test' which
is based on how someone would describe the vehicle in traffic or if parked on the road i.e. if you saw
a Ford Transit with a window for example would you describe it as a 'van' or a 'motor caravan'?
As a result DVLA has reviewed the use of the body type descriptor ‘motor caravan’ in conjunction
with the Police to ensure it accurately describes vehicles externally. The Police fully support the
‘reasonableness test’ and are of the opinion that if a vehicle is not first registered as a motor caravan
or does not have a custom coach built body, it should not be described as a ‘motor caravan’. This
means that all goods vehicles fitted with basic living facilities should be described externally as panel
van, van with side windows or other relevant body type description. "
See Annex A of DVLA reply to FOI Request from M Roach
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ … to_address
This Petition to Parliament might be reactivated after the General Election or a new one might be needed:
Ask DVLA and DfT to publish up to date motor caravan V5 guidance.
Since early May 2019 DVLA have been rejecting V5 reclassification requests for vehicles being converted to motor caravans. The majority of these rejections have met the published guidance - https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati … -motorhome
DVLA are rejecting reclassification requests because the vehicle "does not look like a motor caravan" but are unable to give any indicators or criteria as to what might satisfy their (new and unpublished) policy. Drivers now violate legal advice given by DVLA on the above mentioned website. We ask that DVLA continue to reclassify according to current advice, or update their specifications and criteria accordingly. It is absurd that national policy has changed, but advice available has not.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/267623
(There is also a petition on ChangeORG and there might be others elsewhere but I really do not see the point of those sorts of petitions when, if you get the numbers, Parliament has to respond and then has to debate a direct petition.)
#2 Re: Camper Conversions » Scudo Combi Camper + Insurance Nasties » 2018-05-12 00:02:45
Hi
I was enjoying your story until the break in bit
I'm sorry about this... I like stringed instruments too as you may have notice by my username lol
Hi Rob!
It took about 15 seconds to find your web site and Facebook Page, Mr. RM :-) Are you still making instruments? Your FB Pages says not but your web site looks active?
I didn't much like that Outdoor Ukulele, anyway. Afraid I have been spoilt by living just around the corner from Kevin Parsons and he has made me some beautiful instruments - he is supposed to be retired but he just can't stop himself!
He hasn't got a web site but I have twisted his arm to let me blog about what he gets up to in his workshop. If you are interested there is a "Landing Page" here with links to what I have posted so far - I am bit behind with the updates:
https://ukulele-allsorts.com/kevin-parsons/
I am supposed to be at the Grand Northern Ukulele Festival in Huddersfield right now but I have been delayed by some work that needed to be done on the campervan. Really lovely guys at Vanpunkt in Ogle sorted out the electrics for me - highly recommended!
They discovered that my 35AH Leisure Battery was not connected to the starting battery to recharge it and I do not have an electric hook-up - so it had lasted for at least seven years before going flat! There is still some more electrical work to do - all the fuses were corroded and the water heater went "bang" as soon as the guys put in a new fuse and it got some power going to it!
Kevin also made me a door in the side of one of the bench seats yesterday, so that I can use the space inside for storage without having to dismantle the bed to get stuff in and out of it.
After that, I am going up to North Wales - next weekend I am at Pete Howlett's "Meet The Ukulele Makers Festival" in Snowdonia National Park: MUMF
I am doing a set of original songs (some of them written jointly with Kevin) and running a workshop on "Easy Chord Changes" - nothing too tricky for me! :-)
Here is a sneak preview!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLlm-lZYAZE
I was SO glad to have the campervan up and running again that I celebrated by giving it a wash!
My latest "added-comfort" addition, to cut down drafts, is a "Roman Blind" made of silver-backed bubble-wrap - attached to the curtain rail over the back door with curtain hooks pushed through the bubble-wrap and a couple of bungee cords holding it in place.
Best wishes,
Liz
#3 Re: Camper Conversions » Scudo Combi Camper + Insurance Nasties » 2018-04-26 13:59:59
Sorry to hear about the break in, very annoying to say the least.
Enjoy yourself up at Dumfries, and enjoy the journey too!
Thanks Ricko! The weather is looking good for driving :-)
#4 Re: General Discussion » Site moved to new server ... let us know if you have any problems. » 2018-04-26 04:52:46
Video tags never work for me. Invalid url is always the message and open link in new window never seems to work either
Same problem with the video links :-(
Not tried "Open Link in new window".
#5 Re: Camper Conversions » Scudo Combi Camper + Insurance Nasties » 2018-04-26 04:44:20
. . . Also if you go down past church opposite Easterbrook hall and exit on to the Low road ..........Turn left for Glencaple and when there opposite the Nith Hotel you can park up on quay side.... (Food was OK in there last time I visited)
Enjoy the W/end ...... Led to believe it's a big drawing event getting......................
Hi vaz2122! That's a great tip! I went last year and found the other places you mentioned but not that one :-) It might turn out to be very handy. The Festival only has campervan parking reserved for the Friday and Sat but it won't finish until Sunday evening, so I am staying an extra night. (The van-burglars nicked my night-time prescription driving glasses and I have not been able to replace them yet so I am not keen on driving in the dark.)
The Ukulele Festival of Scotland came out of nowhere a couple of years ago to be one of the best Festivals in the UK - loads of "big names" from all over the world performing and running workshops. The range of genres and standard of musicianship is fantastic. - Think "Music Festival" rather than "one-instrument festival" :-)
I don't know if you have any preconceptions about "ukulele music" but I am always amazed by the wide variety of stereotypes that people do have . . . "So, it will be all Hawaiian music?" . . . "Two days of George Formby!!" . . . "You're kidding me! Tip Toe Through The f@*&ing Tulips!" . . . "Ooo! I love Country & Western!" (What??!!!)
Last week I got, "That instrument you play really fast!?" . . . Well, sometimes! But not always. . . . It's not like it's demonically possessed and gets control of your hands! . . . Or is it??? 
Just to prove it's not (and going well off-topic here!) here's one of my slow numbers . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLebrjg5PGo
(Is there a problem with inserting video using the Video Tags? When I use them there is just a blank box - so I have replaced them with a simple link.)
Of course, I have to have it exorcised before every gig!
Insurance Companies!
It really . . . gets my goat (to avoid a very much stronger expression of displeasure!) the way Insurance Companies stack the deck against you! The gable end of the house next door blew out in the storms last year and some of it fell on my van. "Invalid claim! It's an "Act of God" so no payout!" But it's down on my "Claims Record" as "You were at fault"!!!
Gits!
#6 Re: Camper Conversions » DVLA Clarifies Motor Home minimum cooking facilities: one ring not two » 2018-04-24 22:05:46
Hi Casper,
I have to admit that it just nosiness that has had me delving further into the National Archives than I ever imagined this would take me! I have been left with a puzzle at the end of it all but I am quite content to leave it at that. Maybe someone else will happen along this way with answers to the questions left trailing at the end of all this?
Anyway, I think I might have found the answer to the mystery of the "Archived DfT Interpretation" - I should have stopped just there :-)
Archived Guidance: June 2010
I don't know if you can remember back to Spring 2010? There was a General Election on 6 May and a change of Government as a result. I was working in the NHS and the Dept of Health provided loads of educational resources for staff. Most of it was swept away within days, or the pages were headed by big banners saying that the information should not be relied on as it was pending review by the new government. The same thing happened right across all Government Dept websites. The Government then amalgamated all the separate sites under the new "GOV dot UK" domain and new content started edging in. In this case however, it seems that the old DfT pages were never reviewed.
Some of parts of the old Government sites and materials were archived by the National Archive at Kew. I think there is a big clue here as to why the DfT Guidance has remained the same for so long and that the DVLA and other bodies rely on archived material even when updating their own publications:
How to import your vehicle permanently into Great Britain
This document, which includes the detailed definitions we are familiar with, seems to be the most recent instance of a publication where there is no reference back to earlier, archived material.
"Motor caravan" means a special purposes passenger car constructed to include living accommodation which contains at least the following equipment:
- seats and table,
- sleeping accommodation which may be converted from the seats,
- cooking facilities, and
- storage facilities.
This equipment shall be rigidly fixed to the living compartment; however, the table may be designed to be easily removable.
The interpretation applied to this definition is as follows
Seats and a Table
- Are required to be an integral part of the living accommodation area, and mounted independently of other items.
- The table must be capable of being mounted directly to the vehicle floor and /or side wall.
- The table mounting arrangement must be secured as a permanent feature, (bolted, riveted, screwed or welded), although the table may be detachable.
- Permanently secured seating must be available for use at the table.
- The seats must be secured directly to the vehicle floor and/or side wall.
- The seats must be secured as a permanent feature, (bolted riveted, screwed or welded).
Sleeping Accommodation
- Must be an integral part of the living accommodation area.
- Either beds or a bed converted from seats (to form a mattress base)
- Secured as a permanent feature, with base structures bolted, riveted, screwed or welded to the vehicle floor and / or side wall, (unless the sleeping accommodation is provided as a provision over the driver’s cab compartment.
Cooking Facilities
- That are an integral part of the vehicle living accommodation and is mounted independently of other items.
- That are secured to the vehicle floor and / or side wall.
- Secured as a permanent feature, (bolted, riveted, screwed, or welded.
- The cooking facility must consist of a minimum of a two ring cooking facility or a microwave in either case having a fuel/power source.
- If the cooking facility is fuelled by gas having a remote fuel supply, the fuel supply pipe must be permanently secured to the vehicle structure.
- If the cooking facility is fuelled by gas having a remote fuel supply, the fuel reservoir must be secured in a storage cupboard or the reservoir secured to the vehicle structure.
Storage Facilities
- Storage facilities must be provided by a cupboard or locker.
- The facility must be an integral part of the vehicle living accommodation, ie mounted independently of other items, unless incorporated below seat/sleeping accommodation or the cooking facility.
- The storage facility must be a permanent feature, (bolted, riveted, screwed or welded).
- The storage facility must be secured directly to the vehicle floor and / or side wall, unless a storage provision is provided over the driver’s cab compartment.
Look at the date that it was archived:
6 June 2010 (one month after the change of Government, when all the old Government web sites were being purged by the new Government)
Look at the "advisory" inserted above the content:
"Content on this site is under review following the formation of a new government."
No Government since 6 May 2010 has got around to reviewing the definitions, so the archived version is all that the Civil Service has as a point of reference. If the definitions had been reviewed then there would be an updated version somewhere on the "GOV dot UK" site.
Archived Guidance 2005/2006
This letter looks to be from the DVLA:
Re. Motor Caravans – Assessment for First Licensing/Registration Purposes.
Full text:
Issued November 2005
Re. Motor Caravans – Assessment for First Licensing/Registration Purposes.
The Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA), supported by the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA) have since May 2005 been checking vehicles declared to be a Motor Caravan, prior to first licensing/registration.
This check is aimed at ensuring that only such vehicles considered to be a motor caravan under the Type Approval requirements are given exemption from those requirements for the purposes of first licensing/registration.
In order to maintain a consistent approach from those conducting the examinations an information photo-pack has been circulated, a copy of which follows for information.
The document aims to give general guidance on the degree of conversion that is likely to be considered necessary to a vehicle to enable it to be considered a Motor Caravan and an indication of those vehicles that would be considered to remain a passenger vehicle, and thus subject to a form of Type Approval.Please note vehicles that are not considered to meet the Motor Caravan criteria will require evidence of Type Approval (ie Single Vehicle Approval) at the time of First Licensing/Registration.
The information in this document becomes effective from January 2006.
This is the "Photo Pack" that accompanied the Nov 2005 letter:
Motor Caravan Assessment for the purposes of Type Approval / Registration
This is the Introduction to the "Photo Pack":
Many vehicles are manufactured or adapted to provide living accommodation. The degree of accommodation that is provided ranges from the fully converted motor caravan having all the fixtures and fittings expected of a “motorised caravan” to a vehicle fitted with only the bare essentials, required for a day out, with a detachable camping stove etc. Both ends of the spectrum may well comply with the list of items that a motor caravan must include, however the initial consideration must be whether it is a vehicle that a reasonable person would consider a motor caravan.
In the case of adapted passenger/goods vehicles the consideration must be whether the degree of adaptation to the interior results in its specification being of the level expected in a caravan type vehicle resulting in the vehicles primary purpose being to provide living accommodation.
The following pictures give examples of what should and should not be considered to be a motor caravan for the purposes of Type Approval/Registration.
Each photo has a text box alongside that describes the modifications to the interior and states whether or not the vehicle should be considered to be a "motor caravan". There are photos of six vehicles that illustrate what a "motor caravan" might look like.
Then there is a photo of the exterior of a van with a warning:
This vehicle has a raisable roof which can be used for sleeping accommodation. Having such a roof does not automatically categorise the vehicle as a Motor Caravan. People carriers are manufactured with this facility. The general perception of the vehicle interior must be taken into account when considering how a “reasonable person” would view the vehicle.
Then there are photos of the interiors of seven converted vehicles which do not meet the criteria to be considered a "Motor Caravan". The descriptions for the last five vehicles all end the same way:
The vehicle is therefore primarily a passenger vehicle (sometimes termed a “Day Van” due to the facilities available) and is not a motor caravan
Searching the National Archives for relevant materials, there seems to have been a lot of consultations in 2005 about caravans, caravan sites and "travellers".
I wonder if all the added detail about what constitutes a "Motor Caravan" and the inspections, making it harder to register a vehicle as a "Motor Caravan", is related to that? It predates the "Directive 2007/46/EC (Framework Directive)", which is more detailed than the pre-2005 UK descriptions but less detailed than the 2005/2006 UK descriptions.
Archived Guidance 2001/2002
This seems to be all that the Government required of a "Motor Caravan" before 2005/2006:
Updated 7 September 2001, Archived 2 January 2002.
Motor caravan means a special purposes passenger car constructed to include living accommodation which contains at least the following equipment:
- seats and table,
- sleeping accommodation which may be converted from the seats,
- cooking facilities, and
- storage facilities.
This equipment shall be rigidly fixed to the living compartment; however, the table may be designed to be easily removable.
It is the same wording as in the EU Directive 2007/46/EC (Framework Directive).
Archived 1996/1997
There might be earlier publications or others from this period but I was losing the will to live!
The description here is very brief and focuses on purpose rather than provision, with no mention of methods of construction!
Dept of Transport: How To Permanently Import Your Vehicle into Great Britain
Last updated 16 December 1996
Archived 29 April 1997
"Motor caravan" means a motor vehicle which is constructed or adapted for the carriage of passengers and their effects and which contains, as permanently installed equipment, the facilities which are reasonably necessary for enabling the vehicle to provide mobile living accommodation for its users.
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That is a HUGE leap from 1996 to 2006, with a slight shift towards an actual "spec" in 2001.
What is intriguing is that the 2001 wording is exactly the same as that in the EU Directive 2007/46/EC (Framework Directive).
- Maybe there was an earlier EU Directive, some time between 1997 and 2001, that led to a change in the UK Guidance in 2001?
- What else was going on in 2005 that resulted in the DfT producing such a massively more detailed "interpretation", plus vehicle inspections, in 2005/2006?
If anyone stumbling across this topic has the answers, do tell! I have completely exhausted my nosiness into all this :-)
Best wishes,
Liz
#7 Re: Camper Conversions » DVLA Clarifies Motor Home minimum cooking facilities: one ring not two » 2018-04-24 14:41:53
Hi Casper,
That document looks very similar to the one that I referenced:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati … -motorhome
I think it might be identical - and there is a reference to a "twin burner" in the one you linked to :-)
Cooking facilities
• That are an integral part of the vehicle living accommodation and is mounted independently of other items.
• That are secured to the vehicle floor and /or side wall.
• Secured as a permanent feature, (bolted, riveted, screwed, or welded.
• The cooking facility must consist of a minimum of a two ring cooking facility or a microwave in
either case having a fuel/power source.
• If the cooking facility is fuelled by gas having a remote fuel supply, the fuel supply pipe must be
permanently secured to the vehicle structure.
• If the cooking facility is fuelled by gas having a remote fuel supply, the fuel reservoir must be
secured in a storage cupboard or the reservoir secured to the vehicle structure.
I didn't spot this bit before though, specifying "powered by gas or electricity" . . . what about spirit stoves? Or maybe they count as "gas"? :-)
a permanently fixed cooking facility within the vehicle, powered by gas or electricity
I feel another FOI Request coming on :-)
I did a fair bit of reading around different forums last week and it struck me that people do vary very greatly in how rigorously, or not, they strive to meet all the Guidance.
Something else that struck me is where "Directive 2007/46/EC (Framework Directive)" falls within EU law:
"European Commission > Growth > Sectors > Automotive industry > Legislation > Directives and regulations on motor vehicles, their trailers, systems and components > Directive 2007/46/EC (Framework Directive)"
https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/aut … 7-46-ec_en
I presume that within the automotive and "professional conversion" industries that companies in different EU countries might well have different Government "Guidance" to follow, since the DfT and DVLA documents consist primarily of "interpretation" of the much simpler, less specific wording in the EU Directive.
I think this must be so! I have come across discussions in forums where people whose vehicles have been "passed" by the DVLA have been fined when they travelled elsewhere in the EU, because of differing interpretations. (I didn't pay enough attention at the time to be able to recall the specifics.)
On the "number of ring burners" issue, I find it re-assuring to have it in writing that the DVLA is happy to accept a one-ring burner, in contradiction of the official Guidance. There is no telling how flexibly or strictly an individual application might be considered, so it is very useful evidence for anyone who has fitted a single-ring burner and applies to the DVLA :-)
Best wishes,
Liz
#8 Camper Conversions » Minimum Cooking Facilities - Legislation and Guidance » 2018-04-24 06:26:19
- CrlyWrly
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Please see the Topic I started in 1996-2006 Vans > Camper Conversions:
Camper Conversions» DVLA Clarifies Motor Home minimum cooking facilities: one ring not two
Best wishes,
Liz
#9 Camper Conversions » DVLA Clarifies Motor Home minimum cooking facilities: one ring not two » 2018-04-24 06:16:38
- CrlyWrly
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For reasons mentioned in my post Camper Conversions» Scudo Combi Camper + Insurance Nasties I got thinking again about the "minimum requirements" for a vehicle to be identified as a Motorhome aka "Motor Caravan".
Cooking Facilities: DVLA Guidance and DfT Interpretation of Legislation (EU)
The Guidance by the DVLA is that if there must be a minimum of a microwave or a 2-ring "cooking facility":
DfT Guidance: Converting a vehicle into a motorhome (Updated 22 April 2016)
This is based on Dept. of Transport interpretation of the "relevant legislation", which is the much less specific EU Legislation.
EU Legislation
The relevant legislation does not mention anything about microwaves or a minimum number of cooking "rings" (it is also less specific about other requirements):
5. Special purpose vehicles
5.1.
Name Motor caravan
Code SA
Definition
A vehicle of category M with living accommodation space which contains the following equipment as a minimum:
(a) seats and table;
(b) sleeping accommodation which may be converted from the seats;
(c) cooking facilities;
(d) storage facilities.
This equipment shall be rigidly fixed to the living compartment.
However, the table may be designed to be easily removable.
FOI Request to DfT/DVLA
To cut a long story short, on 17 April I submitted an FOI to the DfT via the web site "What Do They Know":
FOI Request: Motor Caravans - Minimum Requirement of a 2 ring cooking facility or microwave
The DfT passed it on to the DVLA, who replied on 23 April saying that a one-ring cooking facility is sufficient:
FOI Reply from DVLA Re: Motor caravans – Minimum Requirement of cooking facilities
"The guidance you refer to is not prescribed in law but has been established, by the
Department for Transport, to assist motorists when they carry out “do it yourself”
conversions of their motor vehicles into “camper vans”/ “motor homes”.
The importance of the guidance, particularly in relation to incorporating fitments to a
vehicle, is for safety not to be compromised but, there would be no concern if the
cooker comprised of either one or two rings and it has been fitted correctly."
FOI Correspondence:
For the full correspondence see FOI Request: Motor Caravans - Minimum Requirement of a 2 ring cooking facility or microwave
The text of my FOI Request and a copy of the DVLA Reply are also in this PDF File:
2018-04-15-FOI-Request-to-DfT-re-Motor-Caravan-Cooking-Facilities--Reply-from-DfT.pdf
Sharing the good news!
I think this will be helpful to members using the "2007 to present" forums too. I will post in their "Camper Conversions" forum with a link to this Topic, so that if there is any discussion it will (maybe!) be all in one place :-)
Please do pass this on to anyone who would be interested. I posted it on Facebook and a freind immediately contacted me, spitting feathers because she and her husband had just fitted a two-ring gas hob into their van conversion. Not because they wanted a two-ring "cooking facility" but because they thought it was law that they had to.
Best wishes,
Liz
#10 Camper Conversions » Scudo Combi Camper + Insurance Nasties » 2018-04-24 04:06:21
- CrlyWrly
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Hi - I am a new member - and I LOVE my 2006 Scudo Combi Campervan!
I only stumbled across this Forum last week but I have found loads of helpful information and it seems like a friendly place - so I thought I had better stop lurking and make myself useful :-)
Hadrian's Wall - December 2014
Scudo Journey (not mine!): Teesside -> Italy -> Spain -> Co. Durham -> Tyneside
An Italian academic based in the North East of England bought the Scudo new in 2007 (it is a 2006 model but was first registered on 01/01/2007) and had it customised by Simon Lee in Middlesbrough. The Italian guy drove it around Italy researching the industrialisation of Italian villages.
He sold it to an English guy who was living most of the time on the Costa Blanca. There were some minor alternations to the bench seats, table and sleeping arrangements when it was in Spain.
These are photos that the guy in Spain took of it when he was selling it.
A friend of mine bought it in 2011 and she drove it back to Co Durham from Southern Spain. So it spent most of its first 5 years pootling around Italy and Spain before heading back to the North East of England.
I live in Newcastle upon Tyne and bought it off my friend in October 2012.
The interior looks much the same now as when I bought it apart from the huge gas hob and grill, which I have removed.
It had less than 52,000 miles on the clock when I bought it and now has about 67,700.
I use it almost every day as a "run around" as well as occasional overnight stays and camping trips - mostly to ukulele festivals and events.
After being very seriously ill with severe sepsis in 2013 I get very tired driving, so on any journey taking more than an hour I stop and sleep frequently. The bench seats convert into a bed using a roll of slats across the gap between them and the seat cushions become the mattress. I usually leave the bed made up in the winter so I can crawl in whenever I need to. The seat cushions are the same width as the gap between the units and the seats, so in the summer I sometimes just chuck them on the floor for a kip!
My niece's daughter playing on the bed :-)
Something I really like that the inside is so re-configurable! The second guy who owned it made the bench seat behind driver out of two open-top boxes, one that can slide into the other to give access from the sliding door. The top is in two parts "hinged" with gaffer tape so that it folds up on top of the "half seat". I have got plans to replace the pine top with marine-type ply this summer!
Burgled two weeks ago!
Passenger-side sliding door window smashed!
Ransacked!
Thankfully not much other damage but loads of stuff nicked! Including my dinky little Dometic Origo One hob and an Outdoor Ukulele. Busy re-stocking to go to Dumfries for the Ukulele Festival of Scotland this weekend.
Insurance Nasties!
I have got a multi-vehicle insurance with Primo PLC - the other vehicle being my partner's 2004 Doblo MPV. Did I read the very small print? No.
I know now though that it was not covered as a campervan but as a car and the limit on claims for personal possessions is £100. The ukulele does not count anyway because musical instruments are excluded as one of many categories of "high risk items".
The big problem though was with the underwriters, ERS, and their "Approved Repairers". The glass replacement people were great - just the rest of it was a nightmare! All the more ridiculous because I have got a £250 excess (plus £100 on the glass) and most of the other damage has been repaired for free. I really cannot bear to detail all the horrors of dealing with ERS. I sent them a written complaint a week ago - no response as yet - with a link to this video to back it up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq6w-RxeTwk&t=32s
This is not the end of this sorry tale but I have had some good news!
. . . I am going to post it as a New Topic!
I just typed it all in and then for some reason the page re-loaded and I lost everything after that YouTube link (I tried putting that link inside "Video Tags" but the Post Preview just showed a blank box).
It is about DfT/DVLA clarification of their Guidance on the minimum requirements for a "Motor Home", so of much more general interest than what I have posted here - and therefore perhaps a good idea anyway to post it separately.
Best wishes,
Liz
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