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I had to buy some aftermarket ones for our Scudo, as the original door locks kept spinning internally and wouldn't always lock or unlock. Bit fiddly but easy enough once you've done one, be especially careful as you need to drill a rivet out on the right rear door handle first before removing it.

They have worked fine ever since, well until some local scum bags tried smashing the locks in with a screwdriver ? So ordering another set now, an doing the job again!

Hi all, a quick update on this!!

Touch wood the van has been running, starting and going okay over the last month or so.

So I think the issue was in two parts, first the in tank fuel pump or lift pump as some call it.

The second, the brown relay located on the passengers side of the engine bay. Just behind the headlight, as since that was replaced with a genuine new part. Which took several weeks to arrive, the van starts and runs okay every time.

I assume the pump was starting to malfunction in some way, or that the brown relay. Was putting some sort of strain on the pump, by not working correctly.

So my best advice is to replace the brown relay at first, then check the wiring loom between the relay and pump. And then the in tank pump, and go from there if the issue persists.

Hopefully we can enjoy some hassle free motoring now, and get back to sorting some the little dinks, dents and scratches on our van!!

Many thanks for all the help and advice, and I'll try and post up some photos of a our shiny van once it's all tidied up.

Thanks for that Tiree, the garage has finally got a new relay and it has been fitted.

When the van broke down, that relay couldn't be heard clicking at all.

My dad fetched the van last night, so fingers crossed.

As we could do with a good result, after all this hassle and money!

I'll see about doing that the test you mentioned, I'd of hoped the garage would of done something similar before.

When they replaced the pump, as they did drop the tank to check for corroded / damaged wiring.

But whether they tested for 12v's at the connector, is the million dollar question!! So where's there's doubt, best to play it safe and check myself.

Just to be 100%, that we are not in for anymore grief!

In hindsight I should of just got a relay, but as it wasn't always not clicking when the fault occurred initially.

Or at least I think it wasn't, hmm...

I assumed, perhaps wrongly it was something else.

But you live and learn I guess, and as Fiat couldn't get me a relay in as it was on back order or something.

And every scrap yard I went too, any Fiat's, Peugeot's or Citroen's had been heavily raided for the brown relays!!

That should of got my alarm bells ringing, certainly worth hanging onto your spare one just in case.

Incidentally if anyone else, is looking for one of these relays at the local scrap yard.

As well as the Dispach, Expert & Scudo models, try the Citroen Berlingo / Xsara Picasso / Relay & Peugeot Partner, Boxer, 306, 406 with the 2.0 HDI.

Since some of these have those relays too, I believe the Peugeot / Citroen part number to be 1920 7L if that's of any use ?

It did cross my mind that the in tank fuel pump, if it was the real cause. Maybe could of possibly caused the brown relay to go some how, but that's just a wild guess.

The garage were pretty certain that the in tank / lift pump was a strong culprit, but after breaking down again. It was maybe just a part of the problem, rather than the actual answer.

Anyway, will try and check that wiring connector and see what I get. If all appears to be fine, I'll risk running it round at the weekend and see how we go. 

Whether we are at the final fix, well... that remains to be seen.

But keep your fingers crossed, and I'll post up when we've got some miles in on the Scudo.

Again cheers for the tips Tiree, and that view on your post from Kerrera was amazing!!

After trying for two nights on the trot, to get the van to start in a lay-by.

We gave up and ended up towing the van to the garage, since the RAC said it was too close to home to come out to tow it.

An unhelpfully, the garage didn't want to get it either!!

So after the tow hook snapped just over half way there, on the tow vehicle in comedy style.

Leaving my poor brother rolling along in the Scudo, with no van towing it

We had to revert to plan B and tow it the short distance, with a borrowed estate car.. sorry mum..

But finally the Scudo is back at the garage, they said that after testing it the diesel pump is getting no signal.

Which I already figured, since the brown relay does not click on. When you flick the ignition on like normal, but the million dollar question is.

If the problem is with the relay, or is it with the wiring itself.

They are checking the wiring first, before trying a relay.

Hopefully they find a break or some kind of corrosion in the wiring, as I'm not 100 % sure it's the relay myself.

Since Tiree has replaced the relay, due to similar issues and now has the non starting we have.

We'll see, at the moment it's doing a great impression. Of a giant Fiat Scudo shaped giant paper weight, which isn't ideal.

As I could do with the van, for an important car part buying mission.

But is what it is, will post up once I hear back off them

Hi Tiree bad news, unfortunately after a few days of faultless running it's conked out again last night.

And is now refusing to restart at all, so will tow it home later today and guess I'll see what we got.

Hopefully this may mean the fault is easier to find, if it won't start at all!!

But that might be wishful thinking, fingers crossed there's better progress your end.

Hi Tiree, thanks we've ran the round round at the weekend.

Not too far, just in case it did play up. And touch wood etc.. it seems to be behaving itself.

My dad noticed the van ran better too, and made less of wirring type noise on start up if that makes sense?

Which it was was doing before, so will see how we go over this week.

The in tank pump wasn't cheap cheap, cost was about £148 inclining the VAT for a Bosch one... Ouch.. so with labour etc.. the bill was enough shall we say!!

But a quick look on eBay / Amazon, shows the same part number can had for a shade under a £100. Right up to £170 depending who, and where you buy from.

I dare say Euro car parts, GSF etc.. or a local motor factor maybe able to help in supplying one too.

Certainly worth shopping around, before splashing out.

Will keep you posted on how our Scudo goes, and hope all is well with diagnosing the fault on yours

A bit of news, the garage phoned today and they have replaced the in tank fuel pump.

As they checked the wiring and found no breaks, or damaged connections after dropping the tank to get at the pump.

They checked the pump and believe it's not working correctly, apparently getting one was a bit of struggle though.

And took a fair bit of phoning around to find someone who had one, I think they said it was Euro car parts who had a Bosch one in stock.

So at least it's like for like compared to the original, we'll see over the next week how the van goes.

As me and Tiree seem to be down to the same item, I'm touching wood and keeping all my fingers crossed.

That this is fixed and no more issues, after breaking down a fair few times.

The novelty of that wares off quick!! I'm still on the fence as to whether this is definitely the cause.

But trying to remain upbeat, that there might be some light at the end of the tunnel.

Wish us luck

Hopefully it's sorted once the relay is replaced on yours, touch wood an all that!!

In the meantime I'll let the garage do there thing, on checking the in tank lift pump and wiring.

As I've read elsewhere, these van's can be prone to wring corrosion issues. So at least if it's checked out, then we can rule it out 100%.

Likewise, I'll update once I know more

Just read up on your update Tiree, my dad has got the van booked back in at his local garage.

As from the diagnosis last time, they seem convinced it's a fault with the in tank pump.

And are going to check it and the wiring to that, and see if it's working correctly.

But now I'm swinging more towards that brown relay, as thinking logically I've never heard that click on when the van wouldn't start.

So I'll see how we go at the garage, but will probably get a relay as they are cheap enough new.

At least I know how to unplug the thing now, couldn't figure out those red clips when we was stuck at the side of the road!

Hi sorry for the late reply, how did you get on Tiree?

Since I last posted, we had the crank sensor fitted and all seemed well.

Until a week later, when the van wouldn't restart after a short trip. Took the battery off as it seemed to die pretty quickly, and had it tested by a local car parts shop.

Who declared the battery as being past it's best, so bought a brand new one and all was well. The parts shop suggested nipping back to the garage, and have any fault codes cleared in case the fault pops up again. My dad popped to the local garage who'd fitted the crank sensor, and they cleared six fault codes.

Unfortunately my dad didn't ask what they were, would of been handy. But the van seemed fine, and the K-light went so we was hopeful of a good result.

Err... no.. last week after the battery, the van just conked out without warning on a roundabout miles away from home. But barely two miles from the job, where my dad had started back from. Baring in mind it had been sat for 6-7 hours or more, since it was driven that morning.

My dad tried for a couple of hours on an off to see if it would restart, but no joy. He did say that he couldn't hear the relay click for the pump, which is the brown relay nearest to the passenger wing. Fiat part is :- 9629945980

Anyway once I got there I tried to unplug it, but couldn't fathom why it wouldn't pull off. It has some red tabs on the connector plug, that I couldn't push in but I think they might pull out? Anyway I undid the screw, but as I could get no further I popped it back on.

Gave it a few gentle taps on the off chance, turned the key and what do you know it fired up!! Now I don't know if it's coincidence, or what the deal is?

My dad's got the van booked in, at the local garage to check for any fault codes. As the diagnostic tool I have access too, just won't read this van for some reason!

I've seen loads of these brown relays on eBay, and they seem to be all missing. From out of the vans I found in my local yards, so I'm wondering if they are a common source of problems perhaps?

Cheers both, it seems I've now run into more trouble with it

My brother went out in the van yesterday, after leaving it at my grandparents house for most of the day. It started fine and the glow plug light did illuminate, but conked out barely 800 yards up the road and refused to restart?

Left it 30 minutes, and it restarted no problem So rather than drive home and risk another breakdown, we've drove it back to our grandparents house and left it there for now. I'll borrow a code reader and see what fault or faults it shows, fingers crossed as I'm very reluctant for any of us to drive it. As I don't want this to just conk out randomly, on the outside lane of the motorway etc..

Thanks as well for the suggestion on the code reader, I'll be looking into getting one as it'll be a useful tool to have anyway.

A bit late in replying sorry, but thanks for the tips.

I did all the checks mentioned, and touch wood all appears okay.

I think someones replaced or cleaned the EGR, as it looked pretty decent inside. Did check the connectors and they looked fine, no obvious corrosion. But gave them a quick spray, with some decent maintenance spray just to be sure!!

I will check on the fuel filter and see when it was last done, as the garage we bought the van from did all the servicing on it. So if it's any longer than 12-18 months ago since it was changed, then it's certainly worth a go.

That said the van seems to be behaving itself as far as I know, as my dad hasn't mentioned the light coming on recently. So if I can prise the keys off him, I'll see over the weekend.

Might give it a run myself next week, and see how it gets on.

As I do a 80 mile round trip on the commute, should soon see!!