Oil Cooler for a 1.9D Scudo 2003?

Jehb · 2018-08-22 14:02:29

Hey all,

Want to find a replacement oil cooler before I get the head gasket done so I can use it un-bypassed.

Anyone know of brand new options, perhaps a universal one that is the same size/fitment?

If not if you are breaking a 1.9d van with the same and functional oil cooler let me know smile

Thanks!

kenbw2 · 2018-08-22 20:50:24

Watch out that you get the right one. I have an earlier DW8 (the one with no ECU). I got an oil cooler off a DW8B and it was a slightly different size, and immediately leaked oil everywhere. I think mine was iron/steel and the DW8B one was aluminium too.

Left one is my DW8 one, right one is DW8B one.

I documented the process when I changed mine here: https://frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/view … =3&t=58040

Jehb · 2018-08-23 00:06:12

kenbw2 wrote:

Watch out that you get the right one. I have an earlier DW8 (the one with no ECU). I got an oil cooler off a DW8B and it was a slightly different size, and immediately leaked oil everywhere. I think mine was iron/steel and the DW8B one was aluminium too.
I documented the process when I changed mine here: https://frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/view … =3&t=58040

Thank you! I actually think I saw that post before but it's a massive help and I'll definitely follow that.

I'm really struggling to find an oil cooler tbh, I'm worried a second hand one will just break again. How did yours hold up after you replaced it?

Last edited by Jehb (2018-08-23 00:39:13)

kenbw2 · 2018-08-23 00:29:44

I just got mine off a scrappy. I posted that thread in *checks* June 2017. Had no issues at all since.

You could see my old one had rust on the pipes, so it was clearly shot. If the replacement looks clean inside you might be ok.

Would at least tide you over till you can source a new one.

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Jehb · 2018-08-23 00:40:23

kenbw2 wrote:

I just got mine off a scrappy. I posted that thread in *checks* June 2017. Had no issues at all since.
You could see my old one had rust on the pipes, so it was clearly shot. If the replacement looks clean inside you might be ok.
Would at least tide you over till you can source a new one.

Found 2 potential candidates and one looks like the left in your pic and the other looks like the right, both listed as DW8 and supposedly not compatible with my vehicle though roll

Aah okay thats good to hear as I actually avoided one with rusty looking pipes for that reason, but seller thought it was fine (they obviously just didn't know, not their fault).

kenbw2 · 2018-08-23 00:46:19

If you wanna give me your VIN (starts with VF7BZWJ...) I can look up on Citroen Service which oil cooler you're meant to have. Can give you a picture and a part number.

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steve the grease · 2018-08-23 00:47:18

Pretty well all the XUD's and Dw8's have an oil cooler and whilst they are all basically similar there are some differences. The thickness can differ , so if you remove a replacement cooler from a scrap car , make sure you get the central bolt and make sure that you get the o ring from between the cooler and the block as sometimes it can stick to the block. if you use your old bolt it might be too long and it would then not seal. The block is an identical casting with the xud so pretty much any cooler will fit. They can fail, the classic problem being that oil fills up the cooling system. They are either ally or stainless, a bit of rust shouldn't be a problem.

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kenbw2 · 2018-08-23 00:57:30

steve the grease wrote:

and make sure that you get the o ring from between the cooler and the block as sometimes it can stick to the block.

Hmm, didn't notice an O ring on mine, and looking at my pictures from the time it wasn't stuck to the block.

Citroen Service says I should have one though

Ho hum, it's been over a year and all good. ops

steve the grease wrote:

Pretty well all the XUD's and Dw8's have an oil cooler and whilst they are all basically similar there are some differences. The thickness can differ , so if you remove a replacement cooler from a scrap car , make sure you get the central bolt. if you use your old bolt it might be too long and it would then not seal.

Yea I got the bolt off the DW8B one and it was shorter like you say. Even with that though it still spewed oil out because the diameter where it mates with the block was like 4mm wider.

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Jehb · 2018-08-23 01:01:29

kenbw2 wrote:

If you wanna give me your VIN (starts with VF7BZWJ...) I can look up on Citroen Service which oil cooler you're meant to have. Can give you a picture and a part number.

ZFA22000086004712 Thanks smile

steve the grease wrote:

They can fail, the classic problem being that oil fills up the cooling system. They are either ally or stainless, a bit of rust shouldn't be a problem.

This is sort of what I'm worried about. On all the breaker vans I've checked the rage and noticed "oil leak" in the MOT history. That's not to say the oil cooler won't be all good but it definitely doesn't help the chances neutral

kenbw2 · 2018-08-23 01:17:11

Jehb wrote:

ZFA------------12 Thanks

I'm not sure that's a valid VIN. It should start with a VF and be 17 digits. I tried prefixing what you gave with the standard bit but it was too long.

Jehb wrote:

This is sort of what I'm worried about. On all the breaker vans I've checked the rage and noticed "oil leak" in the MOT history. That's not to say the oil cooler won't be all good but it definitely doesn't help the chances

I don't think oil leaking into the coolant would be "oil leak" on the MOT history. Do they even open the coolant reservoir?

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Jehb · 2018-08-23 09:29:08

kenbw2 wrote:

I'm not sure that's a valid VIN. It should start with a VF and be 17 digits. I tried prefixing what you gave with the standard bit but it was too long.

Can confirm it is 100% valid, it's whats on the log book and has worked for a few parts suppliers in the past. Perhaps the Citroen database doesn't recognise the Fiat VIN?

kenbw2 wrote:

I don't think oil leaking into the coolant would be "oil leak" on the MOT history. Do they even open the coolant reservoir?

Yup thats why I said 'That's not to say the oil cooler won't be all good but it definitely doesn't help the chances' (as in, it's unlikely a linked issue but my mind always goes to worst case scenario tongue ). I would assume MOTs are purely external checks as they never picked up on the oil in my coolant - nor did my mechanic that supposedly serviced it though.

kenbw2 · 2018-08-23 09:36:29

Jehb wrote:

Can confirm it is 100% valid, it's whats on the log book and has worked for a few parts suppliers in the past. Perhaps the Citroen database doesn't recognise the Fiat VIN?

Ah balls yea, I forgot Fiat is a different manufacturer glasses

Jehb wrote:

Yup thats why I said 'That's not to say the oil cooler won't be all good but it definitely doesn't help the chances' (as in, it's unlikely a linked issue but my mind always goes to worst case scenario )

Yea fair enough. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a 15+ year old van that hasn't had an oil leak though smile

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Bagup100 · 2019-08-19 20:58:51

Does anyone know where I can get a replacement DW8 oil cooler like the one on the left please, all I can find are the ‘slimmer DW8b coolers that apparently don’t fit.the Chassis number of my Expert is VF3BZWJB86316095.
Any help much appreciated.
bagup100.

kenbw2 wrote:

Watch out that you get the right one. I have an earlier DW8 (the one with no ECU). I got an oil cooler off a DW8B and it was a slightly different size, and immediately leaked oil everywhere. I think mine was iron/steel and the DW8B one was aluminium too.
https://i.imgur.com/3RA4BPa.jpg
Left one is my DW8 one, right one is DW8B one.
I documented the process when I changed mine here: https://frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/view … =3&t=58040

kenbw2 · 2019-08-20 01:01:50

I think you'd have to get it from the older pre-2000 engine - the one without the MAF sensor/ECU.

I think there's a *chance* the XUD9 ones would fit, although the pipes attach slightly differently

Bagup100 · 2019-08-20 19:58:58

Thanks Kenbw2, the van is actually a 2007 plate but I believe it’s a pre 2007 model.
Under the bonnet it appears identical to my old 2005 engine (DW8)
I’m struggling to find the part number of the ‘fatter’ oil cooler in Jehb’s Post.

vaz2121 · 2019-08-21 08:15:23

Bagup100 wrote:

Thanks Kenbw2, the van is actually a 2007 plate but I believe it’s a pre 2007 model.
Under the bonnet it appears identical to my old 2005 engine (DW8)
I’m struggling to find the part number of the ‘fatter’ oil cooler in Jehb’s Post.

I'm a little suspicious here from what on you'r post ................

1. Is it exactly the same van as your 2005 van?

2. My van is a 2005 and has the DW8B...........

3.My pug 306 is a 2000 and has the earlier DW8 fitted ..............

Your best bet is 1. put your VIN Number into Citroen Service box it will confirm if DW8 or DW8B and also with Luck (with a little digging) give you the part number you require
Also pop the bonnet and 2. Even if you took a colour photo and posted it here ........ there are one or two visual indicators that can be seen from a clear pic

This is a 306 with a DW8 ... Notice EGR intake valve has black end Not Green and NO MAF Also IIRC under the pipes and sh** if you look at the Diesel injector (Not visible in photo) nearest the gearbox it will have a trigger wire for the ECU if it's a DW8B

(My 306 has A Bosch pump the Van has A Lucus Cav/Delphi pump.......... Not that it's a guaranteed difference)

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vaz2121 · 2019-08-21 08:36:08

I'm also pretty sure the DW8B ran from 2002/3 onwards

kenbw2 · 2019-08-21 13:58:43

Yea I'd be amazed if the 2005 one is a normal DW8

Bagup100 · 2019-08-22 20:43:14

Sorry if I’ve uploaded too many copies, not sure what I’m doing yet!
(Yes that is a knackered expansion cap new one due tomorrow)
So, does the engine look familiar and should it take the ‘slimmer’ of the two oil coolers?
It’s definitely fatter than the one that is recommended by the registration plate detail checker.

vaz2121 wrote:

Bagup100 wrote:
Thanks Kenbw2, the van is actually a 2007 plate but I believe it’s a pre 2007 model.
Under the bonnet it appears identical to my old 2005 engine (DW8)
I’m struggling to find the part number of the ‘fatter’ oil cooler in Jehb’s Post.
I'm a little suspicious here from what on you'r post ................
1. Is it exactly the same van as your 2005 van?
2. My van is a 2005 and has the DW8B...........
3.My pug 306 is a 2000 and has the earlier DW8 fitted ..............
Your best bet is 1. put your VIN Number into Citroen Service box it will confirm if DW8 or DW8B and also with Luck (with a little digging) give you the part number you require
Also pop the bonnet and 2. Even if you took a colour photo and posted it here ........ there are one or two visual indicators that can be seen from a clear pic
https://dispatchexpertscudo.org.uk/foru … 06-bay.jpg
This is a 306 with a DW8 ... Notice EGR intake valve has black end Not Green and NO MAF Also IIRC under the pipes and sh** if you look at the Diesel injector (Not visible in photo) nearest the gearbox it will have a trigger wire for the ECU if it's a DW8B
(My 306 has A Bosch pump the Van has A Lucus Cav/Delphi pump.......... Not that it's a guaranteed difference)

kenbw2 · 2019-08-23 00:37:46

Looks like a DW8B to me. If you want to post your VIN I can look up the part number for your oil cooler

vaz2121 · 2019-08-25 17:47:33

Yes I agree Looks like a DW8B..................

For me it's got the Delphi pump with the "potentiometer" on top..........
The two vacum lines for the EGR and a MAF plugged in just after Airbox ........
Tending to give the game away................

(Not to worry Ive made assumptions that their the same ........... Well they are but diffrent)

vaz2121 · 2019-08-25 18:09:39

Yes I agree Looks like a DW8B..................

For me it's got the Delphi pump with the "potentiometer" on top..........
The two vacum lines for the EGR and a MAF plugged in just after Airbox ........
Tending to give the game away................

(Not to worry Ive made assumptions that their the same ........... Well they are but diffrent)

Bagup100 · 2019-08-25 19:21:52

The Vin No is VF3BZWJB86316095. Thanks so much for all the help so far.

kenbw2 · 2019-08-26 08:02:40

VIN not valid. Looks like you've missed a digit

Edit: It's also a Fiat, so maybe not coming up on Peugeot/Citroen's database

Last edited by kenbw2 (2019-08-26 08:03:34)

vaz2121 · 2019-08-26 09:19:45

kenbw2 wrote:

VIN not valid. Looks like you've missed a digit
Edit: It's also a Fiat, so maybe not coming up on Peugeot/Citroen's database

After posting that statement I thought (probily from this thread) OH it's a Fiat but in the photo's it's got a Peugeot sticker and I then thought Maybe not ...................

Anyway For a DW8B oil cooler thing (ENGINE OIL-WATER DISTRIB CHAMB) part number I've got (for mine) is........... 1103 J9 and sealing rubber......... 1104 24

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