Loose gear selector

Pathfinder100 · 2021-10-07 22:34:17

Am I to understand that to fix this i need to replace the gear linkage cables?

My gear selector is quite loose on 1st and reverse. It has a tendency to drop partially out and then i get a whirring, maybe grinding noise, as if the gears haven't fully engaged. Pushing the stick forward and holding it while using first and reverse, stops the whirring noise from happening. It would be nice if I didn't have to hold the stick in place. So the question is what needs replacing to get rid of the play?

Thanks.

Pathfinder100 · 2021-10-10 19:46:43

Just a follow up. From what I've read on here and other places. One of the cables controls gear selection and one controls the slide between ends of the gear selector? A third one exists that is the lock for reverse gear?

I have the whirring noise primarily on first and reverse and mainly because of the amount of gear stick play when those gears are engaged. I have also worked out that if the whirring noise occurs when its in neutral, I can stop it by pushing the gear stick to the right, to the position where fifth gear, but not engaging it.

I am looking to do this job by the end of this month.

vaz2121 · 2021-10-11 02:20:55

I'm afraid this doesn't sound like gear cables alone ...........
The whirring sounds like sinister going ons within...........
The loose floppyness sounds Gearcable esk...........

However you could have massive play in cable ends.........
And it not going far enough to fully engage gear.............

Select a gear from under bonnet and try determine.............
1.if it engages and stays engaged...............
2. Or engage a gear with gear lever and see if you can engage the gear harder [More positive selection] from again under bonnet...........
[engine off obviously while selecting gear]
To determine if you have a lot of wear/play in ends of cables/selectors................

It's easier to reach selector under bonnet if you liberate the air clearer out the way ..........................
Unless your a short Ar** like me and then it's still a bit of a streach ...............

Pathfinder100 · 2021-10-11 12:26:25

Yeah, that's what I thought, or rather hoped not. If I hold the lever forward in first and same in reverse, it doesn't make the sound, but it's definitely not fully engaging in those gears. So I guess a new/used gearbox is on the horizon or a rebuild, assuming you can even get the cogs.

What would you (all) suggest? Get a used gearbox or get a rebuild kit and overhaul my current box? Price is roughly the same for either option. I intend to change the linkage cables as well, because that is definitely a large chunk of the problem.

Ideally I would like to try and keep this box going until summer next year, after which I will have a lot more money available for upgrades and repairs. But if I have to fix it, then so be it.

vaz2121 · 2021-10-12 03:14:58

If your not going to be doing many miles and can nurse it along maybe that's route to take till your more flush ................
Or fit some new gearchange cables and see if things improve ................
A replacement box would be easier and quicker [but unknown quantity] as it's [box] to come out anyway .................
Current box is also an unknown quantity till you get in there [Could have worn selector forks] But at least afterwards you know what internals are like ..............

I assume you'll be doing clutch when box is out .........

A big lesson I learned with my Lorries was If it's a big problem ... No choice fix it to keep moving ................
It was the little stuff like it didn't stop you, But things were Not Quite right so "Let it develop and then decide" That's usually what/when you got bit you in the Ar** and stranded ...............

I one time had a noise that lasted all of 15 seconds like a fork screeching across a plate had a good look ... Nothing ... then a fewish hundred miles later landing legs and trailer had oily spotty marks............

Cut a long story short it blew the diff out ...siezed the nose pinion and in~turn damaged the casing .......
cost me a locking diff £3000 for a new one or after 4 days to find one £750 out a scrappy in the end ... And axle hub reduction ran blistering hot after that and burnt all paint off them ....................

Pathfinder100 · 2021-10-12 12:24:08

My plan is more than likely to do the linkage cables next week and see if that will keep it in gear. I think it will. I think, like everything on this van, the last couple of owners did the very least amount of maintenance on it, if any at all. The fallout from that is to make it mine I need to invest in it, quite a lot.

I will probably drop the fluid again in a month and see how much metal comes out with it. if it's been grinding, then I would expect some to be in it and it should be easier to spot in relatively new fluid. To be fair while their was some on the magnet on the sump plug, it wasn't excessive, when I dropped it last week. This time I will probably have a scrape around in the bottom of the case with an allen key and see whats in the sludge that i probably missed last time. Then refill with more moly and gear oil.

Mileage wise I expect to do about 300 a week from now until next June (and maybe more next year), but I'm at college currently (and not locally) so have no choice, and as an aside, also have no real spare cash per se, but can do minor purchases, like brake pads and service items. But big stuff is a no go at the minute. Maybe once my bike is gone and a few other things are sold I will have spare money for things like replacement gearboxes. I know as far as this box goes, I would almost prefer to rebuild it myself, because at least i know it will be completely clean and rebuilt to spec, but it's also a lot of work. At least it becomes a known quantity, as opposed to buying a scrap yard box that may not be any better than the one I'm removing.

And yes, the clutch will also get replaced when I do the gearbox. I still don't know much about replacing them, so will have to research a bit. I've watched JohnDragonMan's videos on youtube a couple of times and a few of the American ones (ChrisFix, Scotty Kilmer) and I have done a bike clutch before, but nothing quite as big as the van clutch. I will probably try and do a visual guide when I do it, but similarly i don't see it happening until next summer, unless I suddenly win the lottery or something.

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#1 2021-10-07 22:34:17

Loose gear selector

#2 2021-10-10 19:46:43

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#3 2021-10-11 02:20:55

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#4 2021-10-11 12:26:25

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#5 2021-10-12 03:14:58

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