My expert is not pre-wired for front fog lights, help please

adamsfamily · 2022-12-05 02:45:06

Hi
I live in the country where there are a lot of dark empty roads and I'd like to install fog lights on my expert 2013 van.
My stalk already has the indicator but the wiring is not there in the bumper.
I cant find the reference of the original harness from peugeot do you know it please?
If not, can I install an universal kit and still use my stalk with it? How can I do this please?
Thank you much

AlvyLad · 2022-12-05 04:28:31

In a search button punch in "wiring diagram" there are also few good Fiat and Peugeot part online sites linked to by the members and few of them might check the forum to give you better guidance.
As long as you have a stalk with wires back to the resistor- fuse box, I've no doubt it's doable.

adamsfamily · 2022-12-05 04:34:47

AlvyLad wrote:

In a search button punch in "wiring diagram" there are also few good Fiat and Peugeot part online sites linked to by the members and few of them might check the forum to give you better guidance.
As long as you have a stalk with wires back to the resistor- fuse box, I've no doubt it's doable.

Thanks for your help, very much appreciated.
I have Sedre and I looked for the fog lights wiring, I got this diagram below but I am no expert I can't read it to transpose in real life smile
Is it theone you were talking about?
Plus on the engine and inside fusebox list (I found online), I don't see any mention of fog lights relay nor fuse that's strange

AlvyLad · 2022-12-05 17:59:38

I'm a numty as it comes electricals and mechanicals tbqfah , however, on Escort's (x2 off) I had almost identical issue with internally operated cab lights. It has taken mechanic an hour of internet browsing to get to the bottom of it and half an hour to bring new feed from existing fuse box, that was found which one was it, by locating relay feed and plugging those back on (solid "Bulk-Head") installation I did.

AlvyLad · 2022-12-05 19:56:22

BTW fog lights will be on the same as high beam relay, but might have separate fork and fuse for

adamsfamily · 2022-12-05 21:06:10

Thanks for these informations, if I don't have any other solution I'll go and see a professional

OAT · 2022-12-06 09:49:13

I could do with a bit more on the country lanes I use most.

Are they specific fog lamps or auxiliary driving lights?

Had my van 6 years and only just noticed it doesn't have a rear fog light in recent few foggy days.

When did rear fogs become a requirement?

AlvyLad · 2022-12-06 19:02:23

Made me check what's what and findings are:

there's some wiring from the main headlight loom lose near the headlight

actual fog-light, looks identical to my C3 2009 reg

I remember when having had to replace one of those it Was LHS and RHS difference- confirm, they are on our vans too and fitting most likely identical

Shame, I got not fog-light switch inside the cabin- would make too big on an deal to mess with for me

IF I'm not wrong about them being identical and you HAVE BOTH switch inside and wiring by (from) main wiring loom, it might be just a "LEGO" type of fitting ???
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134142754765
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165780510002
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353162321493
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234778734945
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353111139790
I'm 90% sure them fog-lights are identical across Peugeot Fiat Citroen range for the years ~2000- 2010, but I'm saying so, after having had "Odisy" with near identical looking interior Blower fans, that didn't actually fit

adamsfamily · 2022-12-07 17:18:54

OAT wrote:

I could do with a bit more on the country lanes I use most.
Are they specific fog lamps or auxiliary driving lights?
Had my van 6 years and only just noticed it doesn't have a rear fog light in recent few foggy days.
When did rear fogs become a requirement?

Thanks for your reply, here is a pic of the plastic covers where fog lights are placed when you remove them

AlvyLad wrote:

Made me check what's what and findings are:
there's some wiring from the main headlight loom lose near the headlight
actual fog-light, looks identical to my C3 2009 reg
I remember when having had to replace one of those it Was LHS and RHS difference- confirm, they are on our vans too and fitting most likely identical
Shame, I got not fog-light switch inside the cabin- would make too big on an deal to mess with for me
IF I'm not wrong about them being identical and you HAVE BOTH switch inside and wiring by (from) main wiring loom, it might be just a "LEGO" type of fitting ???
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134142754765
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165780510002
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353162321493
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234778734945
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353111139790
I'm 90% sure them fog-lights are identical across Peugeot Fiat Citroen range for the years ~2000- 2010, but I'm saying so, after having had "Odisy" with near identical looking interior Blower fans, that didn't actually fit

Thank you very much that's very kind to spend some time to help me, very much appreciated.
Yes these lights seem to be the same as the ones that go on my expert. I am wondering if the loom from different vehicles could also be used...
I found this citroen xsara loom on ebay, the seller sells the lights too which have the same ref as mine so maybe the loom is the same too. Here is a pic. I also attach a pic of a connector I found under the bonnet of my van, that's the only one connector that seem to be connected to nothing, so I suspect if is for the fog lights? but judging by the ebay pic I am not sure the connector will fit.

Last edited by adamsfamily (2022-12-07 20:46:52)

AlvyLad · 2022-12-07 22:51:37

Loom will be 100% different

Lights... 99% the same

90% sure you have wiring for them already, just not seeing (finding) it.

Even I'd be able to, get a tester, flick the switch on/off to see if that wiring/connector working, then ordering the lights and fitting them in

adamsfamily · 2022-12-07 23:38:21

AlvyLad wrote:

Loom will be 100% different
Lights... 99% the same
90% sure you have wiring for them already, just not seeing (finding) it.
Even I'd be able to, get a tester, flick the switch on/off to see if that wiring/connector working, then ordering the lights and fitting them in

That's a very good idea thanks, I will use a multimeter and see if I get any voltage in this connector when I turn the stalk.
For the loom above I am not sure, many vehicles in the PSA peugeot citroen group share the same parts, this loom for example fits in 407, partner, xsara, etc, maybe mine as well, I guess the only way to know is to buy it smile Will try your suggestion first though

adamsfamily · 2022-12-08 19:53:56

well, in fact the stalk lights up the rear fog lights when I turn it. I thought the indicator on the dashboard was for the front ones.
The multimeter shows zero at each of the 3 pins of the connector under the hood.
Maybe I have to plug the obd and program the feature, and take new measures after that on the connector...

adamsfamily · 2022-12-10 22:37:22

I've telecoded the front fogs with diagbox, now I do have both indicators on the dashboard (front and rear fogs).
I measured the voltage on the 3 pins of the connector, here are the results:
pins 1 & 2 : 0v
pin 3; 5v
No matter if I activate the fogs or not I always get these values. So I guess I won't be able to use this connector to plug the front fogs.
Last solution is to pull cables from the BSM brown plug (pins 12 & 24 power up the front fogs) I have to add the wires inside the plug.

Do I have to put fuses on each cable, and a relay? or are they already included in the BSM ?

Last edited by adamsfamily (2022-12-11 18:11:51)

AlvyLad · 2022-12-13 20:26:22

adamsfamily wrote:

I've telecoded the front fogs with diagbox, now I do have both indicators on the dashboard (front and rear fogs).
I measured the voltage on the 3 pins of the connector, here are the results:
pins 1 & 2 : 0v
pin 3; 5v
No matter if I activate the fogs or not I always get these values. So I guess I won't be able to use this connector to plug the front fogs.
Last solution is to pull cables from the BSM brown plug (pins 12 & 24 power up the front fogs) I have to add the wires inside the plug.
Do I have to put fuses on each cable, and a relay? or are they already included in the BSM ?

You are on your own now, I think... surpassed my knowledge to the moon and back tongue

AlvyLad · 2022-12-13 23:42:37

BTW, I'm certain, you had the engine on, when testing, have you?

vaz2121 · 2022-12-17 01:04:20

JohnDragonMan: had the front wings off his mk1 face lift.............
I'm sure he found the fog light wires for his van tucked up behind the inecator wires............
I wonder if its the same on later vans.....................

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