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Thought I’d join you guys smile
I am a owner of a Citroen dispatch 1.6hdi
2008
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Anchor1979 · 2020-04-20 07:20:10

Welcome along Dispatcher smile

I've a 2009 peugeot expert 1.6hdi, L2 H2.

Mike

Dispatcher · 2020-04-24 18:31:41

Hi Mike,

How do you find the expert? I bought the dispatch for work and general use and although it needed/needs a bit of work I’ve been doing bits here and there and it’s getting there.

Anchor1979 · 2020-04-24 19:47:28

I really like the van, much under rated to be honest. When I first got mine I ended up having to have the gearbox rebuilt best part of £650 not including the clutch or the labour for taking it out and back in, luckily my brother is a mechanic so I let him do the hard work for a few beers.

Then when we did the timing belt found that the timing was out, so rectified that and it seemed to improve the running a good bit. Still wasnt 100% so did a bit of investigation and then that's when the parts list really started to grow:
New boost pipes
Air inlet manifold
Turbo
EGR seal
All new injectors

Having said that, it probably cost a lot less than a VW to fix, and I dont like to follow the crowd!

Mine just needs a couple of bits of paint sorting, around the rear arches then to finish putting on the little extras I dont tell the wife about.

What bits need doing on yours?

vaz2121 · 2020-04-24 21:36:14

Anchor1979 wrote:

I really like the van, much under rated to be honest. When I first got mine I ended up having to have the gearbox rebuilt best part of £650 not including the clutch or the labour for taking it out and back in, luckily my brother is a mechanic so I let him do the hard work for a few beers.
Then when we did the timing belt found that the timing was out, so rectified that and it seemed to improve the running a good bit. Still wasnt 100% so did a bit of investigation and then that's when the parts list really started to grow:
New boost pipes
Air inlet manifold
Turbo
EGR seal
All new injectors
Having said that, it probably cost a lot less than a VW to fix, and I dont like to follow the crowd!
Mine just needs a couple of bits of paint sorting, around the rear arches then to finish putting on the little extras I dont tell the wife about.
What bits need doing on yours?

I don't want to P*** on your thunder but After some experience with the 1.6 HDI.... Admitedly it was Fords version of that engine...........
I'm none to keen on it haveing a long and easyish life ............
But In saying that It's a very big reason why I suffer the DW8 as I don't Rate any real modern day diesel ............

My sister has a Mercedes CDI (Had it about 4 yrs maybe) it's not that old it doesn't have a big mileage and she's already and Luckly in My book survived (at not insignificant cost) the Black death without the need for a new head

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Casper · 2020-04-24 22:22:28

vaz2121 wrote:

I don't want to P*** on your thunder but................

Dont want to piss on yours but the ford 2.4 Duratorq is an ace engine. Just not the tuned 130BHP and as long the the lesser BHP version get an oil/filter change every 5k there is no reason for them to spit the dummy apart from neglect. Seen a few with 300+k on the clock ans still running. Loved the older ford 1.8TD engines also what could take a high mileage kicking and the Pug 1.9 Turbos. We had the 2lt Turbos in the 306's when i worked nights in Security. We could put 100k a year on them engines with no issues. The obvious trick is in the servicing, treat it well and it will look after you for years.

kenbw2 · 2020-04-24 23:01:45

vaz2121 wrote:

I suffer the DW8

I love how we all agree with this but love it just the same

It's like the special needs kid who you love dearly. He struggles but keeps chugging along smile

vaz2121 · 2020-04-25 04:39:14

Casper wrote:

vaz2121 wrote:
I don't want to P*** on your thunder but................
Dont want to piss on yours but the ford 2.4 Duratorq is an ace engine. Just not the tuned 130BHP and as long the the lesser BHP version get an oil/filter change every 5k there is no reason for them to spit the dummy apart from neglect. Seen a few with 300+k on the clock ans still running. Loved the older ford 1.8TD engines also what could take a high mileage kicking and the Pug 1.9 Turbos. We had the 2lt Turbos in the 306's when i worked nights in Security. We could put 100k a year on them engines with no issues. The obvious trick is in the servicing, treat it well and it will look after you for years.

Sorry if I gave the impression ........
I have no issue with Fords 2.4 Duratoq engine ....
But I have no experience of it either.........
It seems to do well in it's applications ............
The same as Iveco's "sofim engine"

I never had any luck with a Renault …………….
The joint Fiat/Renault developtment engine that became Iveco’s Sofim engine did Rightly…………
{Who knew}

Used a fair amount of Ford engines over years Dover, Dorset, York ... Had a v8 perkins in one... A friend in my earlier days had a Ford Cargo with a Deutz Air cooled V8 and then a Cummins ........ But one thing with a Ford ...... They could rot....But anything given a chance or with age.........

I actually enjoyed our ex Post office 1.8D escort vans the last one I must admit was a low blow and overall was a little disappointing compared to the previous 1990 non turbo van which performed fantastic ............
I also admit I think IIRC a 1985 escort 1.8D it broke the camshaft into 3 bits ...........
(There was a tendency to only change the one belt and not the pump belt if any got done)..........
{Before I was self-employed, Wasn't my van, I wasn't driving .... was on rescue detail}

I was talking of the 1.6TDCI which was in one of those Ford fusion things .......
The 1.6TDCI (DLD) engine is/was a joint development with PSA and is the 1.6HDI ..........
They do stick that 1.6 motor in a lot of things like Peugeots, Citroens, Fords, Mini, Volvo........
I believe also a version of the current crop of 2.0 and 2.2HDI is spread across a wide range of vehicles .... Ford, Landrover, jaguar, Volvo, Mitsubishi ETC.....
{Yet to have knowledge of them}

There are a good few basically Hardy diesel engines out there that are let down with Emissions stuff and fuelling delivery (Common rail)
Modern Diesels are to fragile for my liking............

This'll be a case of Bad news Travevels faster..........

My gripe with this engine is it likes it servicing meticulous.......
people like to defer maintenance save a quid or two...........

It likes expensive fully synth oil ............
Although they say a 10w 40 is OK..........
It also is marginal in oil capacity...........
the oil pickup is a little to close to bottom of sump ............
Put all this together with deferred maintenance a cheaper oil used a bit of sludge on bottom of sump and a chocked or partially choked oil pick up.........
and your getting the picture ......
especially bought second hand…..
even with a Service history……………
I've yet to come across one that got past 150,000 without pain....
{know a couple taxi boys with or should say had 407's}

Sorry if I'm up-setting anyone it's just my opinion based on usage or is that abuse.......

The fusion seamed at first to be ok then after about 18 months the niggles started to appear..........
Now it's not as if it was getting a thrashing but acquiring a Mercedes style black death chuff was the thing that had its niggles brought to my attention

And like Casper I'm a firm believer in plenty fresh oil .....
Don't miss service time..........(It gives at least a 95% fighting chance)

I did have one lorry about 30 yrs ago now...........
That in the 4yrs we had it I was convinced it was built at 4.55 pm on friday the 13th ....
Still got over 900,000 kms out it but not what you call pain free..........

My Daughter says to me "if it breaks" ........
I have to correct her and say "NO when it breaks".........

A vehicle in my opinion is a Catch 22 ......

Store it.... never use it and it atrophies and seizes up........
Use it and it'll wear out............
Old adage "use it or lose it"

Some returns are just better than others ..........

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vaz2121 · 2020-04-25 05:14:57

kenbw2 wrote:

vaz2121 wrote:
I suffer the DW8
I love how we all agree with this but love it just the same
It's like the special needs kid who you love dearly. He struggles but keeps chugging along

Obviously I'll agree as it's got to be one of the last Sort of old style Diesels and mechanically as free of ECU's as you'll get
But I think the non turbo Xud as a par has got the edge over the DW8

P.S. Had the 306 been a 2.0 HDI 90 ..... Rather than the 2.0 110 HDI that my 307 was .........
I probably would still have bought it ..........

But I'm also sure at 20 years old it would have or had electrical issues by now and unlikely be here anymore (probably sold 5years ago as was expected)

Anchor1979 · 2020-04-25 09:17:05

Morning Vaz,

You're not pissing on anyone's thunder, I just happen to like the van overall. Has the engine had problems yes, has it cost a lot to put it right yes but probably a lot less than had it had been a dreaded VW.

I previously had the DW8 myself and it was a cracking van to be fair, only swapped it because I needed something a little bigger.

In relation to Fords 2.4 Duratoq engine my brother runs 2 of these, both serviced at 5000 miles and both vans have now had 3 engines so from my experience it doesn't really matter what engine you go for it doesn't guarantee that it'll be any good.

Casper · 2020-04-25 12:16:52

Nooo Vaz2121 i just mention that engine as its allegedly prone to chewing its cam chain but look after any engine it will look after you.

Anchor1979 what i have noticed with the Duratoq its more works vans that seem to blow regardless of service. That could be down to anything from millage or just general getting abused due to the "Its not my van" attitude. Reading through the Transit forum its more the 130 that blow. I am part of the admin team on a facebook page for the LDV Convoys. They have the Duratoq but either the 75 or 90 bhp versions. Also the 2.5T and 2.5 non turbo transit engines. The non turbo (Banana) is allegedly bullet proof yet its the most common to spit its dummy (Withing our group of 4000+ members)

vaz2121 · 2020-04-25 12:52:56

Anchor1979 wrote:

Morning Vaz,
You're not pissing on anyone's thunder, I just happen to like the van overall. Has the engine had problems yes, has it cost a lot to put it right yes but probably a lot less than had it had been a dreaded VW.
I previously had the DW8 myself and it was a cracking van to be fair, only swapped it because I needed something a little bigger.
In relation to Fords 2.4 Duratoq engine my brother runs 2 of these, both serviced at 5000 miles and both vans have now had 3 engines so from my experience it doesn't really matter what engine you go for it doesn't guarantee that it'll be any good.

Hi Anchor1979......................
You make a Couple of Valid points ..............
We like what we like ...............
I've Had a few VW's , Audi's and Skoda's... (Still have a Mk3 diesel Golf ......Although 4 or 5 years younger and with twice the mileage I think the 306 is superior/better) I Don't understand what the VW Fuss is or the price they can command........(Rusty Sprinters also)

I'm not getting (Having a Poke) at anyone's choice of Vehicle or engine...........
God knows I've had/bought a Few Crackers ...........
And Had my Fingers burnt...........

Again Sorry if I'm up-setting anyone it's just my opinion
I am a bit of a Luddite in lots of ways..............
My point/opinion is that this Particular motor can be tempremental (We all hear the bad news Quickly.... The good is slower to filter through)

Yes Taxi Boys can be hard on Equipment .........
But if you don't look after and feed the Horse it won't feed you ...........
Something of a good test ground...If it don't work it's not there .......

Also the Shows/Fairground don't exactly run new equipment and a lot of it is their engineering skills but that based/following on tested Reliable at times simple motors.........
I've said many times ......A piston in an engine is a piston and all do same job (good or bad)......
A Diesel basically needs 3 things to run ..... Add a computor it needs 103 things.............

Cummins make and stick their engines in everything............
Last year My Partner and I Caught up with the Owner and her Fathers old Fishing boat that she did a lot of her growing up on........
Apart from converting it into a house boat He chose a Cummins in place of the old Gardner Diesel that was in there For more power I believe...........
Good as a Cummins Is........ IMHO The Gardner is the better Motor..............

In a way as you say:~ The perception of a Rolls Royce is....:~ it could still be Sh ***.........

It was built by and owned by humans and still just a car what ever way you look at it ...............

vaz2121 · 2020-04-25 13:07:45

Casper wrote:

Nooo Vaz2121 i just mention that engine as its allegedly prone to chewing its cam chain but look after any engine it will look after you.
Anchor1979 what i have noticed with the Duratoq its more works vans that seem to blow regardless of service. That could be down to anything from millage or just general getting abused due to the "Its not my van" attitude. Reading through the Transit forum its more the 130 that blow. I am part of the admin team on a facebook page for the LDV Convoys. They have the Duratoq but either the 75 or 90 bhp versions. Also the 2.5T and 2.5 non turbo transit engines. The non turbo (Banana) is allegedly bullet proof yet its the most common to spit its dummy (Withing our group of 4000+ members)

I agree with you wholeheartedly.................
Lets just say " Some engines are more equal than others" big_smile

And does Bullet proof engine mean it can be abused and never attended too ?

Casper · 2020-04-25 17:05:37

vaz2121 wrote:

And does Bullet proof engine mean it can be abused and never attended too ?

Allegedly by the old guys who own them. They say you can fix them at the side of the road with a big old hammer.

I used to think these small engine diesels will be slow as hell but my step son had a 2017 1.5D Fiesta. That shifted along the road quite well with four adults in it. He had that car two years with no issue and traded it in for a new Focus.

Probably power to weight ratio has a lot to do with it so not sure about a 1.6 with a fully loaded van but probably more than adequate if it was a wee camper

Anchor1979 · 2020-04-25 17:22:00

I must say that with my van fully weighted at around 2.9t and a trailer but to be fair only 750kg it still motors along quite well.

Not sure how it would be with the maximum allowed tow weight, which of the top of my head is 2t.

Casper · 2020-04-25 18:16:12

Anchor1979 wrote:

I must say that with my van fully weighted at around 2.9t and a trailer but to be fair only 750kg it still motors along quite well.
Not sure how it would be with the maximum allowed tow weight, which of the top of my head is 2t.

So your van is just over 2t? Im surprised at that TBH. You had it on a weigh bridge? Reason i ask is one of my Convoys as plated at 3.5T yet on the bridge its only 2.3. Think i am allowed a train weight if 5.5. Dont fancy pulling that TBH as i had 2 tonne of stone chips in the back once and it was not nice on braking and corners. hmm

Casper · 2020-04-25 18:17:15

Oh aye. Welcome Dispatcher big_smile

Anchor1979 · 2020-04-25 18:29:28

Had it on a weigh bridge and it was a smidge under 2.9t, fully loaded that is. Not sure what it is empty with just the driver.

Its plated at 2.9t with a train weight of 4.9t, not that I'd like to try it out. Traction is bad enough when its fully loaded with stuff for work. Down side to being front wheel drive I suppose.

Having said that traction has improved somewhat having had to replace a busted drive shaft not long ago.

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Casper · 2020-04-25 18:34:13

yikes Thought you were saying 2.9 was the train. Is it made from Led big_smile Its heavier than this old tank

Anchor1979 · 2020-04-25 18:45:07

Payload is 1200kg, gvw 2900kg so theoretical unladen weight of 1700kg.

Just rechecked tow capacity its 1400kg for the 1.6hdi, so train weight 4300kg.

vaz2121 · 2020-04-25 21:18:08

Anchor1979 wrote:

Payload is 1200kg, gvw 2900kg so theoretical unladen weight of 1700kg.
Just rechecked tow capacity its 1400kg for the 1.6hdi, so train weight 4300kg.

Awe Naw I knew it I've opened a can of worms .. ..........

A discussion on GVW's--- Tare and Train weight .... Pay loads .... and variants is just a mine field.... big_smile .........

P.S. Anchor 1979 :~ You've clearly got the jist .... if Payload is 1200kg, gvw 2900kg so theoretical unladen weight of 1700kg...........

and tow capacity its 1400kg then train weight should =3300kg........ 3.3T approx
So even with a trailer and everything fully freighted = not quite the plate weight of caspers van on its own

Please don't take offence even if you do understand what I said or My T-Shirt it's just Shop (Jargon).............

vaz2121 · 2020-04-25 22:51:54

Anchor1979 wrote:

Payload is 1200kg, gvw 2900kg so theoretical unladen weight of 1700kg.
Just rechecked tow capacity its 1400kg for the 1.6hdi, so train weight 4300kg.

No Sorry Forget what I said your Right My bad I just can't count it does = a Train weight of 4300KG approx 4.3T

Anchor1979 · 2020-04-25 23:00:48

Love the T-shirt Vaz, think I should get 1!

Driven a few manual wagons in my time with manual boxes.

vaz2121 · 2020-04-26 07:45:20

Anchor1979 wrote:

Love the T-shirt Vaz, think I should get 1!
Driven a few manual wagons in my time with manual boxes.

That's probably where I differ and I'm showing my age ..........

Where Nowadays your all but hard pushed to find a manual in a haulage yard .......
In my hay-day you took it for granted it was manual...........

When I mentioned earlier about the lorry 30 years ago it was a first incarnation of Mercedes EPS ...........
Which really was Gubbins bolted to the side of a 16 speed ZF..........

I later had an Actros where you could push the clutch pedal up lock it out the way up the back of the Dash and use it as A fully Automatic (Dreadful in operation)

I think it was an ERF I had on Loan ... I was so surprised to find a blanking plate where the gearlever should have been...It was fitted with A Eaton SAMT box ........
It was weird you changed gear with what felt like a Wiper stalk ..............

I also remember trying to teach/show a Lad who was probably about 10 years behind me at the time {I was undoutedly a Sh*** mentor} I remember nearly wetting myself I was laughing so hard at the results of his efforts as I tried to teach/show him as I had been taught to change gear on a crash box {Eaton twin split} Never using the clutch when on the move.........
The next guy taught him to double de clutch (where I just play a lot of noisey tunes if I try) and he was fine.......

Back then only Coaches had autoboxes and they were All seamed to be of the Allison variety and forever breaking...........

I remember getting a F12 380 Volvo dragged into this shed and it must have had racking in there with 30 new crated Autoboxes in anticipation of changing them on the coaches running up and down that section of M1..........
I think they were overheating with the motorway work and sitting down on them?

In my late 20's early 30's I had an 86 Scania 142 intercooled 420 BHP 6x2 unit with tag axle/Boggie lift and wouldn't have called the Queen my Auntie having got myself a Premium unit .........
I did have in around 1995 a Scania 143 450 Centurion 6x2 and in 2000 when This time {It was All but New} I'd got a Scania 164 530 BHP but was a 4x2 this time............
But The bench mark was/will be the 142 as it was Raw (No computor input with "EDC" or speed limiter) and could still make a respectable 9 mpg on a good day............
"Don't get me wrong the 143 and 164 wern't to be sniffed at ..... The 164 in it's day wolud go up hill down dale {go over the pyrenees freighted} at 55mph all day long"...........

Today 420 BHP is fleet [Gaffer motor] Power..........

my divorce and final settlements hurt in more ways than one (Ancient history now)
If I wanted or mores to point if I could (probably not) today's premium unit is around 730 BHP..........

I think I'd be more than happy with a tidy Low milage (5 or 600,000Kms) Centurion {If there's such a thing} pulling a 40ft trailer converted into a camper..............

How things have changed

T-shirt link------------ Ive got a couple
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Its-A-Trucke … IcL3VlTCEA

Anchor1979 · 2020-04-26 08:33:07

The glory days of the trucking industry vaz, I must admit I probably saw the very last days of the manual boxes so never got to drive an Eaton twin, although remember when I first started out learning as much as I could about the different types of box out there.

My father in law was a driver all his working life and he remembers the days of log books and no speed limits well. Bit before my time to be honest ?

I have to admit though that I do love technology and like the new trucks that are on the market today, but as with anything now the electronics over time will no doubt bring with them lots more problems than they've solved.

I remember driving my first actros megaspace mp2, fully automatic and that took a while to get used to the gearbox, but once used to it loved it and have had a certain of admiration for the actros.

Do especially like the Volvo's and if I could an early fh like the one Volvo have just rebuilt for the fh anniversary I'd be happy to hook it up.

I believe the fh now goes upto 750 as well, handy to have that power on tap when fully freighted going up anything!

I too like you have toyed with the idea of turning a 40ft trailer into a camper, perhaps got hold of an erf ecx Olympic. Mainly for nostalgia with the erf, as they used to be built near where I live many moons ago, although not sure if the ecx would have been. Perhaps something to research.

Thanks for the link ?

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