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#1 2020-06-18 14:23:13

woodbine
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From: Bristol, UK
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Who Should I Get To Replace Timing Belt.

My cam belt has now been on for 6 years, so I want it changed. I'll be using a kit from Fiat, inc. belt, tensioner, water pump and idler. Last time I sourced this from local Fiat dealer, it was quite reasonably priced.

My questions, are these cam belts on the 2.0 Jtd/HDI (2004 model) tricky and difficult to fix and need someone who knows these engines well? Or should any competent garage be ok with it?

The options for the work are; highly recommended and established garage in Bristol, Fiat/Citroen/Peugeot expert somewhere, or the wildcard - main dealer. Which would you use?

Last time I had it done, it was by a local Fiat specialist who isn't in business any more. As it's a crucial component, I'm keen to get it right and have it done properly. Or am I worrying unnecessarily, and most compentent mechanics should be fine with it. I'm located in Bristol.

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#2 2020-06-18 15:21:13

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Re: Who Should I Get To Replace Timing Belt.

there's no limit to how often you can change one, just like changing engine oil its just cost that makes it uneconomical to do often. the book says 100,000 miles if not driven hard or every 10 years. though myself i would change mine every 6 or 7 years and every 60,000 miles.

the main thing is getting the belt tension correct. the fitting is pretty easy. plenty of space but the plastic cover can be a bit difficult to to get off. one of the 10mm bolts on the back can be hard to get at.
garages should have the special belt tension tool needed to get the right tension. i was a bit naughty and measured the belts deflection on another van that had it recently changed and copied the amount on my van.
ive done a few cam belt changes on XUDs and HDIs before and its never been an issue. ive done it that many time i never use locking pins now, though i highly recommend you do. after your 30th belt change you pick up a few tricks.
i highly recommend the Gates kits. if you have a high mileage van, i also recommend replacing the shaft seals under the pulleys for the few pence they cost to replace. i did all mine though not high mileage they are now 15 years old. they just require the cam pulley removing the old seal pulling out and the new seal pressing in. no special tools need just use your fingers to press the seal in, then maybe a socket over the cam shaft and tap it with a hammer to get it flush. when i do the clutch and flywheel change i will also be replacing the crank seal under the flywheel, just as a precaution.


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#3 2020-06-18 22:14:52

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Re: Who Should I Get To Replace Timing Belt.

Thanks John. That's good to hear. So nothing on these vans to really tax a competent mechanic? Just that awkward 10mm bolt and getting the tension right.

When you change a cam belt, presumably the seals you're changing are the cam seal and crank? Can't think of any others?

Also, where do you source your Gates kits, to make sure you get a proper one? There's thousands of Gates and Daycos on places like Ebay, but it's a lottery as to getting a fake or not. Not sure where to go for a genuine one.

I hear lots of people saying the Gates belts are good, and I'm supposing their tensioners, idlers and water pumps are also good quality.

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#4 2020-06-19 01:47:59

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Re: Who Should I Get To Replace Timing Belt.

i mostly use Ebay, always go with sellers with really high feedback. no mention of fake belts in the feedback score.
i bought this kit for my van:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153826650244


yes i mean the cam and crank seal smile

honestly its not that hard of a job to do. a mechanic should have no problem doing a belt change on this.  you want a hard one, try doing it on a 306. you have only a few millimetres of space to slide the belt in. these vans are so nice you have a good 5/6 cm gap. get your arm right in.


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#5 2020-06-19 12:26:46

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Re: Who Should I Get To Replace Timing Belt.

Thanks again, John. Final question - 6 years ago I had the belt, tensioner, idler and water pump changed with a genuine Fiat kit bought from main dealer. But the van has only done 12,000 miles in this time (just hit 100,000 miles total). I realise being rubber that the belt needs changing because it's rubber and can degrade because of heat/tension/use, etc. Should I change the whole lot again, or just the belt itself?


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#6 2020-07-04 01:59:08

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Re: Who Should I Get To Replace Timing Belt.

its up to you i guess (sorry for the late reply, i never got the notification that this had been replied to!)

if its only covered 12k miles its not that many really so i guess you would be ok to just change the belt only. though it is better safe than sorry.
like i say, its up to you. when a whole kit including everything is only £50, and the belt on its own is what £25? £30? myself i think i would just replace everything and be happy knowing its all good.


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Notice: I have the tendency to void warranties, blow fuses, cause fires, and other fun stuff.
Words of wisdom: There's always user serviceable parts inside. Molten metal "hot". In my defence, i was left unsupervised. "Oh that shouldn't have happened".
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#7 2020-07-08 22:33:46

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Re: Who Should I Get To Replace Timing Belt.

Had the the timing belt changed by an excellent Citroen, Pug, Renault garage in Bristol - Renatec. Got him to just put a new Dayco belt in. The thing that made the biggest difference was getting him to put in a Gates aux belt kit, inc idler and tensioner. All the aux belt bits, inc belt have been on there since I bought the van - 13 years ago. Some years ago I noticed tha engine developed a slight high-pitched whine that increased with revs. Not loud, only noticeable to me - but a whine that appeared quickly that wasn't there before. Anyway, I thought it was the aux belt tensioner and did notice a small amount of end float on the the tensioners pulley. This went on for years as it was very slight. Anyway, the engine now sounds completely different, whine gone.

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#8 2020-07-09 15:06:18

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Re: Who Should I Get To Replace Timing Belt.

nice sounds like a good result big_smile


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