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#1 2020-10-16 11:54:12

Fm12
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Registered: 2020-10-08
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Newby.

Thanks for having me on the forum.  I,m a English guy living in France. Just bought a Dutch registered 2006 Mk1 2.0L  jumpy with 143800 kms on the clock, one company owner from new.  Took a risk and bought it over the internet unseen. Not in bad nick, apart from the cruise control not working and the cab interior light again not working everything else seems to be ok. AC works which is good,and the 800 km drive back home did not show up any faults. Here in France Mk1s with the 2.0L engine with approx 200000kms are going for between 3500 to 5000€,if you can get one,hence my trip to Holland. Would have preferred a 1.9d but for the fact it will be towing a small caravan (800kg) and carrying a motorbike. After changing the oils and coolant, my first job will be to sort out the side door, what a racket at 100 kms a hour, there is no way Mrs FM will stand that.  Not sure yet but might make it into a weekend camper. I,m sure I,ll be posting a couple of questions in the next couple of months. Cheers.

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#2 2020-10-16 14:42:33

vaz2121
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From: Glasgow Living:~ SW. Scotland
Registered: 2015-08-31
Posts: 989

Re: Newby.

Fm12 wrote:

Thanks for having me on the forum.  I,m a English guy living in France. Just bought a Dutch registered 2006 Mk1 2.0L  jumpy with 143800 kms on the clock, one company owner from new.  Took a risk and bought it over the internet unseen. Not in bad nick, apart from the cruise control not working and the cab interior light again not working everything else seems to be ok. AC works which is good,and the 800 km drive back home did not show up any faults. Here in France Mk1s with the 2.0L engine with approx 200000kms are going for between 3500 to 5000€,if you can get one,hence my trip to Holland. Would have preferred a 1.9d but for the fact it will be towing a small caravan (800kg) and carrying a motorbike. After changing the oils and coolant, my first job will be to sort out the side door, what a racket at 100 kms a hour, there is no way Mrs FM will stand that.  Not sure yet but might make it into a weekend camper. I,m sure I,ll be posting a couple of questions in the next couple of months. Cheers.

Hello and welcome......
I hope you do keep us appraised of youself and vans progression......
Try some sound deadning self stick panels on the van sides as at the moment your sitting in an open drum.......
The 2.0ltr HDI is really not a bad motor and sould show better fuel returns than the 1.9D non turbo........DW8
The DW8  really is a bit of an old fashioned slug and over all you probibly have the best motor for what your going to do with it.........

The DW8 is a bit of an aquired taste to get used to (That's what mine is) although It's a bit of a slug it's as simple a Diesel you'll get for the era .........
The 2.0 HdI's down side is really going to be the wiring as it gets older with cruddy connectors ETC breaking down inc ECU with the passage of time and needing something more than a big hammer to fix...........

DW8's are not without their foibles

Vehicles in general are holding firm Values at moment  and at least if your prepared to travel for that deal (Partners father living in Spain imported from Germany) and import youv'e got more of a choice than we do "at least all of europe drives on the same side"..........
And your in right Country for a Citroen..........

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#3 2020-10-16 20:29:48

scotchjoe
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From: Northern Ireland
Registered: 2020-01-08
Posts: 55

Re: Newby.

Welcome.I have towed a lightweight caravan with a bike in the back of a 1.9D. The wee van was fine, We just took it easy at a steady 50mph.A bit of extra power would have been welcome on the hills though.

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#4 2020-10-16 21:34:04

Casper
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From: East Lothian
Registered: 2015-12-20
Posts: 1,656

Re: Newby.

Am i right in thinking if you have the Bosch pump in the 1.9D you can tweek it for more Oomph? What about larger injectors. Reason i ask is a lass on our LDV facebook page was adamant her partner manage to tweek the Pilot what used the XUD engine. Im not fussy about MPG as mine is just a local work van but could do with Oomph for loaded and going up hills.

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#5 2020-10-16 23:41:08

vaz2121
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From: Glasgow Living:~ SW. Scotland
Registered: 2015-08-31
Posts: 989

Re: Newby.

Casper wrote:

Am i right in thinking if you have the Bosch pump in the 1.9D you can tweek it for more Oomph? What about larger injectors. Reason i ask is a lass on our LDV facebook page was adamant her partner manage to tweek the Pilot what used the XUD engine. Im not fussy about MPG as mine is just a local work van but could do with Oomph for loaded and going up hills.

Unless you have a turbo hooked on the side of your Diesel it would cost you an arm and a leg to get 5 or 6 bhp more out it irrespective of what pump is on it .......

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#6 2020-10-17 10:33:32

tee_cee
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Registered: 2016-03-18
Posts: 313

Re: Newby.

So is the general view that the 2.0HDI engine is as reliable as the 1.9D - and avoid the 1.6HDI?

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#7 2020-10-17 14:53:51

Fm12
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Re: Newby.

Hi, thanks for the welcome and comments. I,am pretty familiar with PSA diesels. Did over 200000 miles in our pug 206 with the dw8 motor, bought it new in 1999 and part chopped it in against a new berlingo hdi 1.6 here in France in 2014. Theres nothing wrong with the 1.6hdi, as long as you get one with good service history, some of the 10 year old mk2 jumpys  advertised here are north of 200000 kms. The recommended service interval for the 1.6 HDI is 20000 kms, but I change the oil every 10 to 12000kms. Correct grade of oil for these engines is a must(5-30) otherwise the turbos will fail, a well documented problem. We also own a 2003 Peugeot partner van fitted with the dw8 motor showing  270000kms on the clock. It's a great van to drive, but we just
needed more power for towing the caravan. It will be going next week, a shame really because it's  been a great little workhorse in the 3 years we have owned it. You had to work the engine though if you had a heavy trailer in tow. The jumpy we have just bought is kitted out in the rear with racking and shelves so have not experienced the empty tin can noise experience yet. When I do strip the interior, will then put in some sound deadning  panels.

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#8 2020-10-17 15:16:23

vaz2121
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From: Glasgow Living:~ SW. Scotland
Registered: 2015-08-31
Posts: 989

Re: Newby.

tee_cee wrote:

So is the general view that the 2.0HDI engine is as reliable as the 1.9D - and avoid the 1.6HDI?

In short "My opinion"....... YES ........

But I'd say the 1.6 is not as robust as the DW8 and basic 8v 90 horse HDI "1.6HDI is Not their best joint effort with Ford in my book" (Look at well known issues of the v6 diesel that went in Jags & Range Rovers) and lots of folk just abuse and ignore proper service routines (Save a few quid today) as more modern diesels are not as tolerant of it as before..............

It's just become that way for emmisions and Not spending the money any more on quality it's bottom line  that counts ..........

And the more playstations installed = quality car rather than craftsman ship

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#9 2020-10-17 15:56:43

vaz2121
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From: Glasgow Living:~ SW. Scotland
Registered: 2015-08-31
Posts: 989

Re: Newby.

Fm12 wrote:

Hi, thanks for the welcome and comments. I,am pretty familiar with PSA diesels. Did over 200000 miles in our pug 206 with the dw8 motor, bought it new in 1999 and part chopped it in against a new berlingo hdi 1.6 here in France in 2014. Theres nothing wrong with the 1.6hdi, as long as you get one with good service history, some of the 10 year old mk2 jumpys  advertised here are north of 200000 kms. The recommended service interval for the 1.6 HDI is 20000 kms, but I change the oil every 10 to 12000kms. Correct grade of oil for these engines is a must(5-30) otherwise the turbos will fail, a well documented problem. We also own a 2003 Peugeot partner van fitted with the dw8 motor showing  270000kms on the clock. It's a great van to drive, but we just
needed more power for towing the caravan. It will be going next week, a shame really because it's  been a great little workhorse in the 3 years we have owned it. You had to work the engine though if you had a heavy trailer in tow. The jumpy we have just bought is kitted out in the rear with racking and shelves so have not experienced the empty tin can noise experience yet. When I do strip the interior, will then put in some sound deadning  panels.

I have a "W reg 306"(Factory Bosch Pump) that's now passed 20 yrs old I bought just over 11yrs ago after a disastrous costly and breif affair with a low mileage 307HDI Rapier ............
Although the 306 is on retirement duties we'll call it.........It's on 212,000 miles (340,000KMs ish)..........
In my opinion starts and runs smother than the vans DW8/b with less than half the mileage.......

But then the replacement car my partner got (couple yr ago) for the 306 won't I believe see 20 yrs.........

We used to use the 306 to visit my partners father living in Spain until the van arrived just about 5 or 6 yrs ago and at 175,000mls the last real year we used it for that we did 3 trips to Spain with it in 12 months ..........

At one point we averaged 18 to 20,000mls a yr with it .........
Now the 306 is more like 2 to 3,000mls a yr...........

Can't bear to part with it along with some other vehicles I've got even if their past the sell by date .............

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#10 2020-10-18 18:53:35

Fm12
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Registered: 2020-10-08
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Re: Newby.

Hi Vaz. I used to hang on to things but in the last four years have been letting them go.  What has gone, Norton commando owned 43 years. Yamaha xjr1300sp owned 18 years and a daihatsu fourtrak owned 25 years. None of them had been run for at least 5 years so it was time for them to go. Next to go will be my Suzuki GS850g which I bought new in 1989, I,ve probably done a 1000miles in the last 4 years , it's time to move it on. The pug partner has been a great little van , its going next weekend.  All of them bar the pug have sentimental memories  attached to them, but they were not being used.

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#11 2020-10-18 22:18:44

Casper
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From: East Lothian
Registered: 2015-12-20
Posts: 1,656

Re: Newby.

Is it in good nick? Some go for silly money now. Loved all the GS range just a shame Suzuki could not make proper RR's

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suzuki-GS850 … SwHglfjAnK

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#12 2020-10-20 22:04:03

Fm12
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Re: Newby.

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Casper wrote:

Is it in good nick? Some go for silly money now. Loved all the GS range just a shame Suzuki could not make proper RR's

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suzuki-GS850 … SwHglfjAnK

To be honest i think the GS850g was a bike of its time.
Its a tank of a bike,bit of a heavy slug,heavy on petrol, if you push mine along it averages about 35mpg.
To be fair to my bike, other than servicing and two rev counter cables, its not seen a spanner since new in its 41000 miles.

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#13 2020-10-20 22:24:18

Casper
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From: East Lothian
Registered: 2015-12-20
Posts: 1,656

Re: Newby.

Had a flatmate with one on the late 80's. He broke down so i went out with the car to help. RR went so we stripped the wheels off and put it in the back of a Mini Metro. It was hanging out the back and tailgate open but we got it home. Had two 550's. 550 Katana and a 650 what was also the G but managed to get a 650 Katana tank and side panels to fit. The G had a small tank so the Kat tank took the range to almost 200 mile.
When i bought the 550 Katana it was me getting back into bikes about 8 years ago. This was to take the wife and me to Holland for a bike rally. I was alone heading into Edinburgh and the bugger was struggling to hold 60mph in a head wind so no way i was taking that to Holland. Sold it for a 84 GPz750A what did us proud for three trouble free years.

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