Engine worries!

Dolomite · 2016-06-14 13:50:15

So apart from my juddering issue mentioned in the maintenance section my van seems fine - the engine sounds rough and raspy but i think thats just how it sounds!

I got the second hand car salesmans word that his mate who wouldn't lie to him had had the timing belt fixed but didn't have any proof of this. It has done roughly 83,000 and I was wondering if theres any way to check if the belt has been changed without pulling the thing apart. I expect not!

cheers

Ben

monkeynut · 2016-06-14 14:34:43

If you have no proof i would change it, I am going to do mine when im well again allthough i have proof that it was done 30.000 ago,, Best belt kits are Gates And SKF as they both use SKF bearings (the best) Gates use INA also (just a good as SKF) both use use good water pumps SKF use there own, And both Kits use Gates Belts
I take it you have a 1.9DW8 here are a couple of links for you
http://peugeot206cc.co.uk/repair-206/20 … EG10K3.HTM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201525407007? … EBIDX%3AIT

Dolomite · 2016-06-14 14:59:47

Thanks for the reply - seems like a big job - unsure if I'm up to it. I don't even have any of those tools!

monkeynut · 2016-06-14 15:17:19

You dont nead most of them. only 3 4 and 2 and some hand tools and you can use allan keys for 4 and 2
But my advise is buy your own full kit a and get someone you trust to put it on

Casper · 2016-06-14 15:20:43

Mine judders and i put it down to the last clutch changer being a lazy/tight bastard and not changing the thrust bearing. Pull the covers off and if a new (ish) belt it shoul still have clean print or the lining dot marks. BTW. I did an oil filter change a few days ago, its like i put in a new engine not a change and this is just a flush with cheap QX oil from euro car parts.

Watergypsy · 2016-06-14 20:17:38

Hi, I was told by an ex peugeot mechanic that a big problem with the DW8 engine when replacing the original cambelt, was that the bolts holding the crankshaft pulley would regularly sheer due to strong loctite and torque settings from the factory build.

Apparently when this happened at the main dealer they just replaced the engine! I was worried that mine could be on the original belt at 144k, but i was assured that if the worse happened he used a local machine shop to remove threads re tap etc and i would only have to wait an extra day for return of the van.

So to cut a long story short he knew the belt had been changed at least once,when he started work on the van.
The cambelt itself is not visible without removig quite a few things,but I belive the crankshaft pulley bolts are accesible without removing anything so this could be a good place to check

vaz2121 · 2016-06-15 08:59:30

Watergypsy wrote:

Hi, I was told by an ex peugeot mechanic that a big problem with the DW8 engine when replacing the original cambelt, was that the bolts holding the crankshaft pulley would regularly sheer due to strong loctite and torque settings from the factory build.

Ive never heard that one before, But then my mechanic mate is further down the pecking order than main dealers, so for him, the belts have either been changed or it's broken wink .......... The DW8 engine is derived from the XUD9 engine (had a few of those) and the cam belt change is pretty much the same job... Although I do believe that your right that at the crank shaft there are now and you undo four little bolt around pulley instead of the big bolt in the middle like the XUD.......... So maybe that's whats happening and would explain the problem............... We have two vehicles which has the DW8 in them, 200,000mls & 90,000mls currently and touch wood so far relatively pain free............

The 306 has had a couple belt changes in our tenure and the van just at the time we bought it last year.... I'm a bit old school and like the simplicity of the DW8 and it is quite a hardy wee motor and we do no more than the regular recommended service/maintenance schedule (10,000mls 10w/40 semi synth)

I agree with Monkeynut get a good full kit like Gates and have someone you trust fit it (inc water pump) then you'll know exactly where your working from

{I had belt failure last yr on a vw golf.... belt inc kit changed but not water pump.... 30,000mls later pump failed took cambelt out and that was fitted and documented by vw dealer ??? }

Dolomite · 2016-06-15 09:27:44

Watergypsy wrote:

So to cut a long story short he knew the belt had been changed at least once,when he started work on the van.
The cambelt itself is not visible without removig quite a few things,but I belive the crankshaft pulley bolts are accesible without removing anything so this could be a good place to check

Sorry - I don't fully understand what i would be checking them for?!

Thankyou all for replies. Out of interest what happens when it goes? ie. what am I risking by not changing it?

I'll have a think - I have a freind who has worked on his landrovers he could help me...

or do I need an actual mechanic who may have worked on one before?

Tiree · 2016-06-15 11:10:59

Dolomite wrote:

Thankyou all for replies. Out of interest what happens when it goes? ie. what am I risking by not changing it?

You're pretty much risking your engine. I had a timing-belt disaster last year.

To hugely over-simplify (I'm not a mechanic!), if your timing belt goes, the moving parts within your engine's cylinders instantly become out of sync and start smashing each other up.

In my case, if I remember right, I had to replace all the valves and several rockers (stop me if I'm using wrong terms here anyone!). This requires removing the cylinder head which (on the HDi engine at least) means that the whole engine has to come out the van. The head then needs to be reskimmed, new parts bought and fitted and then it all has to be put back together again.

Add to this a full service, buying and fitting of a new timing belt kit inc water pump, and in my case the ancillaries belt (which runs the power steering / alternator etc) which had got mangled in the process.

I think I did pretty well to get the whole job done by an out-of-town grease monkey for £700, the garage I'd been going to up until then wanted £1200 just to open it up and assess the damage.

Be interesting to hear others experiences too.

Bottom line I'd say if you're in doubt, just get it done smile

Casper · 2016-06-15 12:13:48

I had one go on a Fiesta van. You get a valve piston interface. At the time (2003 ish) i paid £600 to get it sorted but i was lucky the pistons did not hole. If it goes take the head off yourself and if you have holes in the crowns or bad scoring in the barrels then bin it but if it looks good get a recon head or take the gamble at a scrap yard but another van would be the cheaper option in my opinion. At least you can swap your good work over an any other new parts.

Lots of cars like 8v fiat petrol have what they call non-intrusive engine and this means if the belt went then the valvs dont hit the pistons.

Dolomite · 2016-06-15 19:11:27

Waa! Ok I'll look into it then - I would struggle moving all the work I've done into another van as it's based around the particular wheelchair conversion.

Anything else while I'm at it!?

monkeynut · 2016-06-15 23:05:37

just get the belt changed+water pump and a full engine service will be like a new un
DW8s are a good old clattery non electronic deisel engine anyways big_smile

vaz2121 · 2016-06-17 00:45:30

monkeynut wrote:

just get the belt changed+water pump and a full engine service will be like a new un
DW8s are a good old clattery non electronic deisel engine anyways

Yes I agree with Monkeynut.....Belt kit+water pump and a full engine service....DW8s are good old clattery non electronic diesels

But I would say like any engine nowadays belt failure is usually catastrophic and also as the DW8 is derived from the XUD....... I would say they don't survive well if the get cooked either (got that Tee Shirt also)

Sh** happens and scaremongering's easy but DW8's IMHO given basic regular maintenance plod on reliably for many a mile.

last year our 306 took us 4,500mls to Spain and back and its DW8 was in the 190,000ml region (now approx 200,00mls), We never thought twice about it and it never uses oil N water from one service to the next

The Dispatch | Expert | Scudo Hub

Get help & share your Citroen Dispatch (Jumpy) | Peugeot Expert | Fiat Scudo tips

#1 2016-06-14 13:50:15

Engine worries!

#2 2016-06-14 14:34:43

Re: Engine worries!

#3 2016-06-14 14:59:47

Re: Engine worries!

#4 2016-06-14 15:17:19

Re: Engine worries!

#5 2016-06-14 15:20:43

Re: Engine worries!

#6 2016-06-14 20:17:38

Re: Engine worries!

#7 2016-06-15 08:59:30

Re: Engine worries!

#8 2016-06-15 09:27:44

Re: Engine worries!

#9 2016-06-15 11:10:59

Re: Engine worries!

#10 2016-06-15 12:13:48

Re: Engine worries!

#11 2016-06-15 19:11:27

Re: Engine worries!

#12 2016-06-15 23:05:37

Re: Engine worries!

#13 2016-06-17 00:45:30

Re: Engine worries!

Board footer