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#1 2021-03-04 03:45:03

Zippypilot
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From: Sussex
Registered: 2019-06-25
Posts: 93

Van self destruct mode

IMG_20210302_142231.jpegHi all, hope everyone is still on the road, this last few days have been quite whimsical

Having booked the poor old thing in to get the rear swingarm bushes done at an exceptionally good price (for yesterday to in at the garage), the handbrake (usually as sharp as a clever) went all the way up and just managed to not roll on the slight incline outside my house the same day, that's ok too, easy job that I will do. So, this morning the left sliding door decided it was going to be difficult to open requiring a push on the top of the door pulling the handle back, again not too much of a worry. a simple reconfig of the mechanisms or a bit of lube, and the front brake pads started to grind.

Now here is the real telling me it wants to retire, as I pulled away, the clutch juddered for a moment, ok been very cold/damp etc lately so thought no more about it as it soon stopped doing it, then JUDDER JUDDER BOUNCY BOUNCY JUDDER......... smooth coasting to the side of the dual carriage way.

A nice gentleman with a flatbed came and emptied the only cash from my wallet and took it away to the garage (actually he was excellent) so the clutch has decided to join in. Now a clutch isn't a massive deal but.... having read the clutch threads on here, seems like there can be some issues with flywheel being a DMF. my guy reckons £300 plus for the replacement parts or £200 for the solid flywheel kit. He wants £250 to do the work which is fine by me but is this worth it?
Ok surely the above is enough? Nope, before the clutch failure, the steering went 'notchy' again meaning the UVJ need greasing again!


Any advice on the above, parts sourcing/tuitions/experiences etc would be great

Little bastard is going to be fixed and will continue on the road despite it's damned determination to just want to park up in it's old age

PS on top of this I just paid out for the insurance and tax the ungratefuld sod

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#2 2021-03-06 14:31:56

Dellboy
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Registered: 2021-02-22
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Re: Van self destruct mode

pay the £300  the solid flywheels are a bodge (especially the ECP ones )

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#3 2021-03-06 17:36:54

Zippypilot
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From: Sussex
Registered: 2019-06-25
Posts: 93

Re: Van self destruct mode

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Well, the clutch certainly did a great job messing my wallet and day up! The central portion of the friction plate decided to have a moment with the rest of it, the 'self destruct mode' was definitely appropriate for this thing...

Dellboy, um bit late, they fitted the solid flywheel kit (if it lasts a few more years I'm happy)

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#4 2021-03-06 17:57:08

OAT
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From: Borders/Dales
Registered: 2017-01-03
Posts: 613

Re: Van self destruct mode

Aye... the newness has worn of that clutch.

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#5 2021-03-06 18:10:08

Ricko
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From: SW Lancs
Registered: 2017-01-18
Posts: 283

Re: Van self destruct mode

These vans can get a bit like this given the age, mileage etc.
I set myself an annual amount excluding service items, tyres etc, and try and keep to it.
When I'm in doubt I take a look at all my photos from the last 5 years of the various trips.
I've just had 5 days of trouble free motoring, so I'm clutching my lucky rabbits foot tightly!!


2004 Citroen Dispatch 2.0 Hdi

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#6 2021-03-06 18:14:30

Zippypilot
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From: Sussex
Registered: 2019-06-25
Posts: 93

Re: Van self destruct mode

OAT, yep it wanted a bit of TLC

Ricko, I must get a rabbits foot for this van smile

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#7 2021-03-06 19:54:20

Casper
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From: East Lothian
Registered: 2015-12-20
Posts: 1,824

Re: Van self destruct mode

Dellboy wrote:

pay the £300  the solid flywheels are a bodge (especially the ECP ones )

I would not go as far to say Bodge but, I changed DMF to solid in my last Convoy. Got a Borg & Beck kit and the changeover was easy but i would never do it again and only reason being i felt there was more noise and move vibes on tick over. Fine when driving though and not sure but it may be less noticeable on a smaller engine as the Convoy was a 2.4

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#8 2021-03-06 21:01:01

Zippypilot
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From: Sussex
Registered: 2019-06-25
Posts: 93

Re: Van self destruct mode

I have done some 80 odd miles on the new clutch now since getting it back yesterday evening, no signs of anymore noise from the drive/engine than normal. Very smooth with no vibrations across the revs from idle up. Not sure what make of kit they fitted, will find out. 2002 2.0 HDI. Just pleased it wasn't worse the way the clutch exploded smile

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#9 2021-03-06 22:47:21

kenbw2
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From: Anywhere the van takes me
Registered: 2017-11-26
Posts: 756

Re: Van self destruct mode

Ricko wrote:

These vans can get a bit like this given the age, mileage etc.
I set myself an annual amount excluding service items, tyres etc, and try and keep to it.
When I'm in doubt I take a look at all my photos from the last 5 years of the various trips.
I've just had 5 days of trouble free motoring, so I'm clutching my lucky rabbits foot tightly!!

Agreed with this. Even if the van costs a few hundred to fix, I never subscribe to the logic of "I don't want to spend £500 on this. Instead I'll spend £4,000 on another", which will still need some level of repairs anyway


2000 Citroen Dispatch 1.9TD XUD9 Camper Conversion + full time home
1999 Citroen Dispatch 1.9D DW8 Disassembled Camper Conversion
1996 Peugeot 806 1.9TD XUD9 Spare vehicle
1998 Citroen Synergie 1.9TD XUD9 Snapped timing belt

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#10 2021-03-07 00:42:34

Casper
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From: East Lothian
Registered: 2015-12-20
Posts: 1,824

Re: Van self destruct mode

I am more than happy at 500 quid to get the MOT. You will never hire one at that price for a year and clutch, alternator, tires and the likes is just Wear and tear that can happen to any motor at any age

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#11 2021-03-07 07:45:11

Ricko
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From: SW Lancs
Registered: 2017-01-18
Posts: 283

Re: Van self destruct mode

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Stuff like this makes me smile and think I'll keep patching her up ready for another adventure!


2004 Citroen Dispatch 2.0 Hdi

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#12 2021-03-07 23:51:12

Zippypilot
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From: Sussex
Registered: 2019-06-25
Posts: 93

Re: Van self destruct mode

Very right to say so, I was happy with the cost of a new clutch, like you say kenbw2, no guarantee with another van would not give over the same troubles. I thought about this and you're right, a few more things to get done (rear brakes, rear swing arm bushes etc) and it's good again. A must is the cambelt, any tips or should I get the pro's to do it?

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#13 2021-03-08 00:05:29

Zippypilot
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From: Sussex
Registered: 2019-06-25
Posts: 93

Re: Van self destruct mode

Casper wrote:

I am more than happy at 500 quid to get the MOT. You will never hire one at that price for a year and clutch, alternator, tires and the likes is just Wear and tear that can happen to any motor at any age

Yeah, I am in the mind of making a budget for repairs above servicing, at the end of the day, the van is perfect for my needs and has become a bit of personality regards its foibles, besides most jobs are home mechanic ones not like todays vehicles

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#14 2021-03-08 22:50:41

GRIFFIN
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From: DURHAM
Registered: 2019-03-16
Posts: 120

Re: Van self destruct mode

Hi all,

Yeah I've got to agree with you guys, better to fix the one you have than to get another one for a lot of money and then find you need to spend just as much on repairs. My ex partner was from Latvia and I went there as often as I could, as an ex part of the Soviet Union, they had a very definite, fix it rather than replace it attitude and I share that philosophy. They still had many vehicles from the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s It would even seem that the rest of the world is coming round to that way of thinking now. To be honest, if we go on to the next generation of van/vehicle, we won't have a choice, the newer technology will most definitely be uneconomic to repair. The byword of today is a lower carbon footprint and repairing something we have will always be better in that respect. Before we know it, the rest of the world will be running round in all electric vehicles that have a range of less than 200 miles. My van will do more than 700 miles on a full tank, lets address the Elephant in the room and consider where all the electric vehicles are going to refuel at the motorway services and how long a journey from Durham to Portsmouth will take in an electric car with a stop to recharge every 150-200 miles or so?

STICK WITH WHAT YOU HAVE AND FIX IT TILL IT CANT BE FIXED ANY MORE.

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#15 2021-03-12 04:04:34

vaz2121
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From: Glasgow Living:~ SW. Scotland
Registered: 2015-08-31
Posts: 1,103

Re: Van self destruct mode

kenbw2 wrote:
Ricko wrote:

These vans can get a bit like this given the age, mileage etc.
I set myself an annual amount excluding service items, tyres etc, and try and keep to it.
When I'm in doubt I take a look at all my photos from the last 5 years of the various trips.
I've just had 5 days of trouble free motoring, so I'm clutching my lucky rabbits foot tightly!!

Agreed with this. Even if the van costs a few hundred to fix, I never subscribe to the logic of "I don't want to spend £500 on this. Instead I'll spend £4,000 on another", which will still need some level of repairs anyway

I have to admit I've hankered after a newer van before now............... but then remember why I bought this vehicle. [Apart from it was within budget all those years ago] ..................

Having relied on a vehicle to earn a crust...........
maintenance is a big factor........Don't skimp on oil changes ETC...........
{Youv'e got No option but fix  big breakage it's the small ignored let it develop stuff that really F**** you up}
I bought a two year old lorry about 30 years ago with 500,000 kms on it for £17,000 ish +the dreaded VAT it had been running to Gorgonzola [Millan] famous for cheese on a pretty much weekly trip............
I ran it on general mostly UK and a bit Euro [spanish & french] haulage for about 4 years and took it to 900,000 kms ......
Not the highest milage I've seen but it wasn't double shifted............
[seen some double even triple shifted and have easily one Million kms at 4 years old]
Point is Maintaining it and it went on to another life in Africa somewhere.............


There's a lot to be said for the Devil you know and it's Not If it breaks but when !..........

Yes you have to factor in "you can fix anything ..... But at what cost"............

But I agree that Current vehicles are to fragile and heavily computer controlled to be easily DIY maitaned.............
Plus petrol engines are going the same way as a diesel with complexity and emissions..........

Who is going to invest and sort out their problems if their getting banned in favour of electric in 9 years?.............


A question ............"Are you likely to fly on holiday to Spain or Portugal ETC with 300 other passengers in an electric plane in 10 or 15 years ? ..........
Sort of defeats the purpose of banning fossil fuel cars when everthing commercial is still diesel .................


The whole World economy and movement of goods is based on Diesel fuel !!


I'm not for one minute saying we do nothing, But full electric is not the be all Answer

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#16 2021-03-12 21:37:32

Zippypilot
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From: Sussex
Registered: 2019-06-25
Posts: 93

Re: Van self destruct mode

Yep all electric is coming, but I hope to not worry about charging bloody batteries in 15 years time and just putting my feet up smile

I have decided that this van is going to stay for as long as reasonably practical to do so. It's for work anyway and I can do some mods etc to update/make it more useable, things like the headlamps (recent post on that and great response) led lights in the back, not going to bother with a reversing cam as the bumper provides plenty of feedback, getting various things done before the go wrong like the cambelt, brakes and fluids, bushes etc.

If I was to use it for trips abroad, it will be ok and should be reliable with the above done.

To be honest, I rarely need much luxury on trips here and if I do (not working) take the car.

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#17 2021-03-17 00:10:25

Zippypilot
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From: Sussex
Registered: 2019-06-25
Posts: 93

Re: Van self destruct mode

Update: Seeing that the van had a horrible rear end knocking and was due in the garage the very day the clutch blew, today it had that finally done. I had both sides (bushes) done and I will try to get some pics if the guy still has them, totally shot. I also had changed both rear shocks as a matter of 'why not if its wearing out' £180 (including parts and labour) which I think was an absolute bargain and saved me 8 hours of swearing. Apparently a Ford Granada bush puller/setting tool does the job easily.

Have to say the van handles so much better, thinking now of getting the fronts done.

I must be mad, just spent £1250 on tax/insurance/clutch/shocks/bushes and front brakes (is this mad or now have I caught the Dispatch bug?)

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#18 2021-03-17 00:18:33

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From: Anywhere the van takes me
Registered: 2017-11-26
Posts: 756

Re: Van self destruct mode

Zippypilot wrote:

(is this mad or now have I caught the Dispatch bug?)

Can it be both? Are they the same thing?


2000 Citroen Dispatch 1.9TD XUD9 Camper Conversion + full time home
1999 Citroen Dispatch 1.9D DW8 Disassembled Camper Conversion
1996 Peugeot 806 1.9TD XUD9 Spare vehicle
1998 Citroen Synergie 1.9TD XUD9 Snapped timing belt

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#19 2021-03-17 00:23:24

Zippypilot
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From: Sussex
Registered: 2019-06-25
Posts: 93

Re: Van self destruct mode

kenbw2 wrote:
Zippypilot wrote:

(is this mad or now have I caught the Dispatch bug?)

Can it be both? Are they the same thing?

I am now in the mind that I have a 2002 Dispatch 2.0 OCD!!

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#20 2021-03-17 21:47:48

Zippypilot
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From: Sussex
Registered: 2019-06-25
Posts: 93

Re: Van self destruct mode

Update 2: Ok this is starting to get a bit much..... water pump leaking! So here we go again, booked into the garage next Friday for that and the cambelt of course... Not doing cambelts myself, not on the level of evilness the damned machine is showing me, it's gonna get fix whatever it feels like throwing at me!

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#21 2021-04-06 22:59:07

Zippypilot
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From: Sussex
Registered: 2019-06-25
Posts: 93

Re: Van self destruct mode

Update 3: indicator relay and heater fan failure. This little van is a.... ok indicator relay £25 and now works fine, heater fan is another issue, fuses are fine however, when testing out the the fuse connection under the glove box, zero volts. Is this fuse after the slider control?

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