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#1 2021-05-09 19:47:29

cliffo
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Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

OK, I REALLY need to change the Cambelt on my van.

When I bought it, it came with a Gate kit - so I guess it's the right one but I'd like to make sure.

Anyone able to recognise this engine type? I think it's a non-turbo 1.9D but what model? 1998 van...

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As well as ensuring I have the right belt, I'd really love to know what the torques are for all the bolts and fittings (tensioner, water pump, etc - and engine mountings).

Speaking of engine mountings, which of these 7+ fasteners would I have to undo (or is it all of them) to complete the cambelt change...?

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#2 2021-05-10 12:40:24

vaz2121
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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

Sorry No idea of torque Figures But they shouldn't be hard to find ............
Or nice n tight .......
I looks to me to be a DW8 which as far as I remember takes the same belt kit as a DW8/B.........
If you were ti feed your reg number into the likes of carparts4less it should give more info on belt kits............

IIRC if it's a DW8  the engine code is in your VIN Number like WJY .........
I'm sure engine code type is on your reg docket I could be wrong........

And yes you would after supporting engine remove that top mount........
All of those nuts..........

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#3 2021-05-10 15:30:35

scotchjoe
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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

Timing belt torque settings.
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#4 2021-05-10 19:27:46

cliffo
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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

scotchjoe wrote:

Timing belt torque settings.

Ah, wonderful! Just need to find the engine mount ones now!

Cheers!

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#5 2021-05-11 16:08:15

woodbine
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From: Bristol, UK
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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

You can search the Gates catalogue to check your belt kit.

https://www.gatesautocat.com/

If it's the kit without water pump, should be KO25523XS - or with pump KP25523XS.


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#6 2021-05-14 18:01:56

cliffo
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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

So the van is now up on stands ready for a bit of finagling.

Everything says to lock the flywheel (along with the other pulleys that need locking)

What's the easiest way to get access to the flywheel to lock it? Bear in mind that I'm reasonably practical but not an expert mechanic...

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#7 2021-05-14 19:10:55

cliffo
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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

Flywheel Access?

Would it be through this cover (forgive the oily sump - that needs looking at!) And is it just three bolts/fasteners shown?

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#8 2021-05-14 19:54:28

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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

There is a hole in the engine casing behind the starter motor, If you remove the starter motor you can lock the flywheel using a suitable sized rod.

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#9 2021-05-15 07:10:50

cliffo
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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

Urgh, I was really hoping not to have to remove more components than I had to!


Also, is there a knack to getting the plastic top cover (rear section) fully away from the belt - it seems to wedge on the top of the engine compartment and I don't want to drop the engine too much on it remaining mounts jut to give it clerance

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#10 2021-05-15 07:14:20

cliffo
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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

This cover (I've moved the pipes above it a little out of the way and it is fully unbolted)

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#11 2021-05-15 08:35:17

scotchjoe
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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

Please don't take this the wrong way Cliffo. If your already running up against problems removing the plastic covers, it may be best to get the belt changed by a mechanic.

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#12 2021-05-15 09:13:05

cliffo
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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

Ah don't worry - I've got thick skin!

I've changed cam belts before but only a smaller FIRE engine (in a Punto) - also had the cylinder head off and skimmed and replaced on that. And replaced an engine in and old Escort Mk2 - but all of those had a Haynes with me to get the torques and the knacks - there's not much actually written down for these beasts that I can find!

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#13 2021-05-16 14:21:23

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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

Right, so, just in case anyone stumbles across this thread whilst doing their own Cam Belt change, here's how I managed to remove the rear-top cover without resorting to a mechanic:

I looked at the engine's nearside flexible mounting and decided that it had a reasonable amount of 'give' in it - i.e. dropping the engine by a few inches on the offside would not result in too much strain on the nearside joint, so I placed a second jack under the sump (with the sump still protected by a  piece of wood) but about an inch lower than the other jack. I then released the tension on the primary jack until the sump dropped to the level of the secondary jack. I did it in this fashion because I don't trust the speed of 'drop' when releasing the valve on hydraulic jacks. I then tried the cover again  and realised that more 'drop' was needed. So i rpeated the process in a couple of incremental steps until the cover was able to be extracted. I then raised the engine up until it was level again.

I'd still be interested to know how proper mechanics do this and if there is a simple knack that I'm missing...

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#14 2021-05-19 10:50:34

vaz2121
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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

@Cliffo That sounds about right .........
I came across a similar problem when doing glow plugs and inlet was hitting scuttle and wiper rack IIRC............
I just moved it to one side a bit and guddled away underneath and got scratched up as-well.......

Unsure what engine/car from memory But.......
Witnessed an "expert" hobbyist mechanic cut his old belt in half all the way round and then in various stages walk the New one on.........

Again IIRC scotchjoe is correct and you can buy a locking pin kit that'll Time and lock cam and the other the engine by hitting a webbing on Crank at the right spot stopping rotation .........


If all else fails "typex"

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#15 2021-05-19 18:16:11

cliffo
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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

vaz2121 wrote:

If all else fails "typex"

Oh, don't worry - I'm a belt and braces guy - I'll be marking the two top pulleys and the fly wheel as well as trying to lock them!

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#16 2021-05-23 20:23:34

cliffo
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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

Yeah, I think this belt needed replacing...

Old belt with damage

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#17 2021-05-23 21:11:13

woodbine
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Re: Engine type, Cam Belts and Torques

That belt was definitely on borrowed time. As the Yanks say "if in doubt, swap it out!"


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