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#1 General Discussion » 2005 2.0 HDI fuel sender unit » 2025-02-14 21:32:43

Joshwaa
Replies: 0

Hello!

So 2005 dispatch 2.0hdi - in tank sender unit

I had a problem a little while ago....non starter, that turned out to be the ecu not getting 12v, now resolved. While is was off the road I had a fuel pump pressure low on the code reader....so I changed it, now I've done it 3 times because they've failed

Fuel sender unit 1 - this was a cheap £60 amazon prime next day special. All was good until 2 month down the line then it had failed again....after reading all the 2* reviews saying the same, fair enough.

Fuel sender unit 2 - this was £160 starline pump from euro car parts. All was good until Sunday just gone then it wasn't. Surely its not the pump again....yep it is

Fuel sender unit 3 - as number 2 is under warranty this is "free" but now im wondering why has it failed, have I just been unlucky?

So I had to change the plug out because it was all corroded and bad connections. I'd cut the cables and just used connector blocks on sender number 2 wrapped up in tape could this of been the cause? It was on the 'better weather' job list, the cables looked okay.

Cables are now soldered, heat shrink and water proof taped.

Earth is fine
Power is fine and turns on/off during ignition
All fuses are good 

I never go below ¼ of a tank or run it dry

Runs fine...when it runs

Just a curiosity post really to see what you think or if its just another bad luck spell for me.

Thanks!

#2 Re: General Discussion » 2005 Dispatch 2.0HDI - P0190 + P0380 » 2024-10-23 07:16:34

RegW wrote:

how did you change the tank pump?  do you have to drop the tank?


Make sure you're tanks near on empty makes its easier....

It's held in on a cradle with 3 bolts. 2 at "front" and 1 at the rear  I managed to drop the front 2 bolt and that gave enough give to do it, abit fiddly. There is a video on youtube where the guy drops the full tank with in depth instructions as well

#3 General Discussion » 2005 Dispatch 2.0HDI - P0190 + P0380 » 2024-10-22 21:37:06

Joshwaa
Replies: 2

So after the sucess of getting my van back going I've decided to investigate into an issue I've had since I've got the van 4 year ago

EML light is always illuminated (apart from when i take bulb out for MOT)

Codes read

P0190 - Fuel rail pressure sensor A circuit

P0380 - glow plug heater circuit A

The van sounds lumpy and is in a ½ limp mode doesn't pull over great up hill and it's not very quick off the mark. Almost like a 2.0 flat diesel with no boost....limp mode.

So,

Fuel filter gets done every 6 month during service

In tank pump has been changed recently from trying to cure a non stater - now solved and loads of low pressure there....like a tap

No diesel leaks

Seals okay on Fuel filter housing

Is it worth just throwing a fuel rail pressure sensor on?

If nothing comes from this I'll get it into a garage and go from there.

Any help appreciated

#4 Re: General Discussion » Heater » 2024-10-22 21:19:13

These are only based on my van / experience. 2005 mk1 2.0 HDI

Air lock or air in system - there's a bleed tap at the top of the radiator.

Heater core - this is around £20 for a new one - strip the lower dash 99% are T25s you need to be able to remove the semi circled casing below the gear lever and also the glove box. The Heater core is in here, move 'stuff' out your way and replace this.

Replace your thermostat again for sake of £15 peace of mind - x2 13mm (I think) top of engine bay right in middle

Check you radiator pipes upper and lower when up to temp - top hose should be hot - lower hose should be cool/warm - if not possible blockage in radiator

Failing that - diesel heater £100 instant heat  big_smile

#5 Re: General Discussion » 2005 citroen dispatch 2.0hdi cranking - won't start - SOLVED » 2024-10-18 19:35:34

big_smile.   smile  big_smile  smile  big_smile  cool

So

Took it to a lad today and within an hour it's running again!

Basically the ecu wasn't getting 12v, I knew this but he cut the right cable in the right place and added a direct 12v feed in there right back at the fuse box end

When fuses were removed there was still a 12v going through the places that shouldn't

He's said that the fuseboard is bad and needs a new one or a clean up and go from there.

So again thanks everyone for the help all massively appreciated.

I'll let you know how i get on when changing the fuse board

#7 Re: General Discussion » 2005 citroen dispatch 2.0hdi cranking - won't start - SOLVED » 2024-10-16 22:48:28

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#8 Re: General Discussion » 2005 citroen dispatch 2.0hdi cranking - won't start - SOLVED » 2024-10-16 22:44:02

Just to keep you all in loop and anyone else that stumbles across this

Just to recap

Interia switch checked, removed, bypassed confident it's not this
12v at fuel relay
12v at glow plug relay
12v at maf sensor
12v at all fuses - removed cleaned and put back in
Grounds cleaned off
Tried earth cable from ecu to battery
Removed ecu - checked pins
Ignition switch bypassed (hot wired) with keys in

NOT got 12v at ecu when ingtion is at position 2!

Now I presume 3 things, there is a break in the power cable

Or

Immobiliser isn't allowing it to power up? (I'll attach the photo of the immobiliser light when I'm next there

The van is still turning over as strong as ever 

It's going to a mechanic tomorrow hopefully.

#9 Re: General Discussion » 2005 citroen dispatch 2.0hdi cranking - won't start - SOLVED » 2024-10-13 08:15:49

Still not had time to have a look at it again

I'm having a look and play tonight hopefully come to a conclusion and start (no pun intended)....making tracks on the next steps

The closest scrap yard I have is upullit but it's a free for all there now people just cut everything out their way. I've checked there stock online and there isn't any in stock either but there was an immaculate one there a few month ago....I got a brand new tow bar off it for £15!

#10 Re: General Discussion » 2005 citroen dispatch 2.0hdi cranking - won't start - SOLVED » 2024-10-09 07:20:13

RegW wrote:

"Will the ECU send power out to sensors if it was buggered?"
Yes. quite possibly
some of the interfacing electronics in the ECU may be live even if they're not doing anything


I mentioned the inertia (Impact) relay but see nothing to suggest its been checked electrically .

It should have power in on the red wire No 1421 ( from the multi function relay)
and power out on the green wire No 1203 which goes to the ECU
at all times unless an impact opens the contacts.


Sorry, I've completely missed checking the voltage on this inertia switch

I've pressed it but it doesn't do anything no resistance when pressed or a click. I presume when triggered there's a definite press when reset

I'm next at the van on Thursday I'll test this switch with a multimeter failing that I think I'm going to send ecu away for testing.

With the code reader not connecting
No engine management light illuminating
No fuel been primed
Turns over strong
New fuel pump
New fuel pump relay (with power going to it)

I'm only £70 into it and my time as it stands and it's just sat there looking sorry for its self.

There must be an electrical gremlin about somewhere whether that's a plug, wire, sensor or signal not been sent

Failing that there's a good immobiliser guy local to me which is still a possibility I suppose but the obd socket has power....would a faulty immobiliser lock not work and in turn stop anything communicating to the ecu?

Thanks for the replies

#11 Re: General Discussion » 2005 citroen dispatch 2.0hdi cranking - won't start - SOLVED » 2024-10-08 19:39:14

Yeah all 3 connections taken off cleaned, electrical cleaner and re installed they were manky but no signs of corrosion.

The 'K' check engine light does not light up at all even with a working bulb from another location. In any of the igntion sequence

There is voltage at the maf sensor

There is voltage at the fuel pump relay

All fuses are good

Ignition switch was bypassed using a wire

Wire from ECU to battery negative was tried, still the same

Earth's taken off and cleaned

...... sad

Will the ECU send power out to sensors if it was buggerd?

#12 Re: General Discussion » 2005 citroen dispatch 2.0hdi cranking - won't start - SOLVED » 2024-10-08 17:59:10

JohnDragonMan wrote:

it is so rare for an ecu to self destruct. its always down to something else.

yes the OBD scan tools..  they will always power up when plugged in as the obd port has a battery live in it that powers them up. wink

now thats interesting.. i have never known an "immobiliser" light on the dash to flash on mine. which light is that?  just looking at the dash now..  using this rather large photo stolen from here (https://dispatchexpertscudo.org.uk/foru … hp?id=1543) which light is that?


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i am guessing the one next to the unlit glow plug light bottom left and the lit ECU light?
could be a water in diesel filter light though i just cant make it out.
i sadly dont have my handbook..  to hand.

let me know or take a photo of it and attach it on here.
this is most interesting.

yes do report back if anything works.


Finding 1 - no K light
Finding 2 - no K light bulb
Finding 3 - no K light even with bulb

#13 Re: General Discussion » 2005 citroen dispatch 2.0hdi cranking - won't start - SOLVED » 2024-10-08 12:58:25

JohnDragonMan wrote:

i think we need to start diagnosing why you cant connect to the ecu via the OBD port. it sounds to me like the ecu is not powering up.

**This is what is confusing me, when I plug a scanner in it, itpowers up just won't communicate with the van**

so. my knowledge on these vans is not all that good (yes really).

do you get all lights on the dash come on when you turn the ignition on? including the yellow transistor...  err the thing that looks like a "K" otherwise known as the check engine light?

**I'm not sure on this, I now know which symbol you mean after a quick Google but I don't ever recall seeing it....but I've never looked for it for the last 4 years of trouble free motoring it's been start and go without fail.**

if that lights up it usually means that the ECU is in good order while on ignition only. (seriously try it on other stuff, if you uplug the ecu the check engine light goes out..  its a good way to find out if the ecu has a power issue)
the ECU will still power up even if it has an immobiliser fault..  say the RFID chip in the key stops working. you will still get the yellow "K" looking light

**The immobiliser light is flashing every second or 2 on the dash, once keys are in and turned it goes off....I'm Presuming this is normaly "yes I know your keys" **

one thing to try is a jumper cable clamped to the metal body of the ECU then to the negative battery terminal. this would eliminate any earthing faults.

**I'll give this a go later on this evening as well I've got some small cable knocking about.**

i also would actually unplug the main ecu connectors (with the battery disconnected) to see what the condition of the connectors are like.

**This resolved someone else's same problem the other week I saw the same outcome would be ideal. Vans coming up 20 year old this is going to become common now I think.**

i would also check your ignition switch.. you can test the switch easy. drop the steering wheel down using the adjuster, take off the cowling top cover and you will see the main igntion switch plug.
unplug all connectors with large wires they will be colours like white, blue and i think yellow..  maybe others. they will be the only large wires. 
now make sure you van is in neutral or if you are unsure keep the clutch pressed down because the next step could engage the starter motor.
get a thick ish bit of wire and bridge across the different wires on i think the left side plugs (youll get some little sparks but the power in a car battery is very safe to touch so worry not about electric shocks it wont happen). one will be battery power, one will be ignition switch position 1 (acc), one will be ignition switch position 2 which is glow plug mode/engine run (the one that powers up the ecu), and one will be the starter.
you are effectively bypassing the ignition switch. if you power glow plug mode and the ecu "K" light comes on this is good it means the ecu lives again and the solution is to replace the ignition switch
i repaired a Vauxhall Zafera with this same fault once.. been to 3 separate garages and they diagnosed it with a dead ecu. these "plug in" mechanics only know what an ECU will tell them. you need an old school mechanic.
shame you are not local to me i would have come and had a look..  i really like electrical work on vehicles.

now as far as i know, the ECU does have a relay..  i am pretty sure its commonly referred to as the "glow plug" relay. i have never known one to fail but i guess its a possibility. its located kinda behind the drivers side headlight (if its right hand drive)

i mean you could also test for voltage on a sensor while the ignition is on too. that way we would know if the ECU is functioning. give the mas air flow sensor a unplug and test for voltage on the different pins. one of them (i think there's 4 or 5 on these) will have some kind of voltage on it while the ignition is in glow plug mode. #
to test for voltage use a simple bulb test. get a small wattage bulb like say a side light bulb, earth one side with some wire and the other side will be the testing probe. try not to short anything out with it though..  the ecu does auto kill power to the sensors if it detects a dead short thanfully, it wont burn its self out.
now i think the sensors only work on about 5v so the bulb will only glow a bit..  i could be wrong though i have tested many ecus over the years..  it all merges into one.

**This makes sense and is a good shout, if the power to the ecu is fine but the ecu isn't telling the mag sensor to....sense. Then either the mag sensor is dead or the ECU is a cabbage.**

on some vehicles, pin 1 on the OBD port can be an ignition live but its not standardised. i am not sure if our vans are like this.

i hope some of this helps in some way.

fun fact:  the "K" on the ECU light on our vans is the electrical symbol for a component called a Transistor.

*Edit* I'm new to this forum replying so not sure how to quote a paragraph so I've just edited your post and added ** to my replies

Thanks for this write up and everyone else who has commented....hoping it'll be back on road in no time and having a projector light conversion cool

I'll post back later tonight or tomorrow with any findings....hopefully good ones.

#14 Re: General Discussion » Dispatch/Jumpy wont start (SOLVED) » 2024-10-07 21:56:20

I've got the exact same problem at the moment. 2005 mk1 dispatch 2.0 HDI

Got to work fine

Finished work not fine  neutral

Turns over fine, no communication via obd port and cannot hear the in tank pump priming

Changed the pump, changed the relay

Going to have a good investigation tomorrow evening but I don't do electrics

It's booked into a garage but I'll check over the fuses and connectors/clean where I can with electric cleaner and try a few other things members have suggested on my post

#15 Re: General Discussion » 2005 citroen dispatch 2.0hdi cranking - won't start - SOLVED » 2024-10-06 15:52:29

RegW wrote:

Where is the relay situated, can you get a meter in there to see if there is any power going out to the pump?

Relay is located on the right hand side bolted to the wing next to the battery. There a funny looking thing to be honest and this has been changed for a new one.

It's got 12v going to this but I've read this communicates back to the ecu and the ecu says yes fuel pump start. Whether I've read this correctly is another matter

#16 Re: General Discussion » 2005 citroen dispatch 2.0hdi cranking - won't start - SOLVED » 2024-10-06 15:20:09

RegW wrote:

had a look at some diagrams and see the fuel pump is powered from Fuse F7 in BF01
my notes say BF01 is the "fuse box under bonnet"
so that's worth checking

All fuses checked ✔️  they were all good. Will check again for what it's worth mind.

#17 Re: General Discussion » 2005 citroen dispatch 2.0hdi cranking - won't start - SOLVED » 2024-10-06 13:39:30

Thanks for replies!

I'm gonna get under it again and start from tank back to engine bay. I've got a can of electrical cleaner.

I've taken the feed hose that goes to fuel filter off and there's nothing there at all

I've a feeling something isn't communicating especially with code readers not been able to connect to the OBD port

#18 Re: General Discussion » 2005 citroen dispatch 2.0hdi cranking - won't start - SOLVED » 2024-10-05 22:59:05

Yeah cylinder type fuel filter housing, I'll have a check tomorrow but there's zero diesel leaks anywhere. I've had the diesel filter off and the lines to it. Just confusing me as to why I can't hear the prime since it's stopped working

#19 General Discussion » 2005 citroen dispatch 2.0hdi cranking - won't start - SOLVED » 2024-10-05 22:45:31

Joshwaa
Replies: 41

sad  1st post on here so bare with me, probably quiet lengthy but just to give you a bit of history.

2005 Citroen dispatch 2.0HDI

2020 in-between lockdowns bought the van for £400 expecting it to last the remaining MOT (8 months)....here we are 4 years later, a few new parts, couple of services and 2 new outsills

Anyway the problem....I'm not electrically minded but mechanically okay? any help greatly appreciated, mechanic it's getting booked into see is a 2 week lead time so if I can have a bash at some "stuff" between now and then and get it going happy days

So, started van as usual, started as usual off I drove 1 mile to work as usual all good. 9 hours later after work got in van....won't start. Cranks very well, battery got juice.

CANNOT hear the fuel pump priming and still can't now

Fair enough, £70 for a new pump now installed....same outcome won't prime

Read about the relay....£20 for a new one now installed still the same

Read about the cutoff switch....pressed it but not sure how it feels when triggered, anyway still the same

X3 cheap code readers won't connect to the van although they have in the past.

Fuses checked

Now my parts cannon is empty and so is my head.

Any help, tags or tips at all appreciated

Josh

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