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#301 Re: Maintenance » Strange noises from injector pump » 2021-01-16 23:33:06

I think that the stop solenoid is cycled as the plugs are heated - like a cleaning mechanism.

#302 General Discussion » Regeneration Indicator » 2021-01-14 15:39:15

tee_cee
Replies: 4

I fitted a visual indicator to show when the regen cycle is active. As expected it always kicks off just as I'm nearly home ;-)

One of the things that the ECU will do to get more load on the engine, to increase the exhaust temperature, is to switch on extra electrical loads - one of which is the heated mirrors.
Edit - It seems that if battery is low, and is being heavily charged,  the system does not bother with heated mirrors - so no light sometimes.

Pulling the trim away from the bottom of the passenger A pillar, will show the wiring loom. The most likely mirror heater, wire will be the thickest one and in my case it was the solid green one ( I can't see the markings on it). test it by sticking a needle through the insulation and check for 12V when the heater button is pressed.
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I cut away the insulation and soldered a flying lead to it.

I already had an LED and a 8k2 resistor, but as 12V LED from eBay will do the job also
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The finished article - the light remains lit during the whole regen process

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#303 Re: General Discussion » cold starting issues desperate » 2021-01-14 11:45:18

Check your battery voltage in the morning - it should be above 12.4V, and not drop below 9.5V when cranking. I know it's a new battery however the ECU may need to be told that it has been replaced to carry out optimum charging.
If it is the glow plugs then cycling the pre-heat a few times before starting may give an indication.

#304 Re: Camper Conversions » OK Google » 2021-01-10 11:34:53

kenbw2 wrote:

That's massively overkill and I love it! How do you get the google box to talk to the board?

Totally impractical of course, just a bit of fun.
I've bought a few smart home bits - mostly working with the Tuya Smartlife app. Once you tell google home the login details for the app, you can control the devices with voice commands.
So this board has 2 single pole double throw relays and can be controlled by the app, and by google home. The other key thing is that the board supports momentary switching (inching as they call it), which is needed to simulate a button press on the remote.

#306 Re: General Discussion » I'm guilty... » 2021-01-08 13:04:25

The old van had a few issues, broken gear linkage in Spain, broken front spring on the drive the day before the ferry to Ireland, front brake pads in France (twice), broken aux belt in Ireland, noisy aux belt in France (never got to the bottom of it) and a stuck stop solenoid in Greece. Sound a lot now that I list it out, but this was over 5 year and 50,000 miles. However with some rust starting on the sills, I decided to change for a newer model.
So I looked for a van with A/C and more than the meagre 70bhp and since the old van worked out cheaply for me, I'd spend a bit more on something a bit newer than the 2002 model.

Bought a 2015 ATV 130bhp and set about converting it. Nice to drive, loads of power, and because of the boxy shape a bit more room inside.
Downsides is the stupid battery control system, that turns the radio off and won't let you wind down the windows without restarting the engine.

Anyway story short, it broke down on the first trip to France, and then took 1.5 years and £5k to fix.
Seems like nobody really wants to touch modern common rail diesels, other than change the oil and polish the filter. It's also my opinion that Peugeots part supply chain in the UK is broken  - I've had several parts go on back order, no forecast.

So I've spent more on this van after one 6 week trip than the whole cost of the old van, including all the maintenance over the previous 5 years.
As @JohnDragonMan says the old van could go round the world, this van I would not trust.

#307 Re: General Discussion » Smoking exhaust » 2020-12-26 12:10:28

Merry Christmas also, and hopefully 2021 will work out for you.

My decision to go with the dealer was based on getting Peugeot to take responsibility. As opposed to independents, who can simply give up. I was prepared to wait and indeed pay for the van to ultimately be fixed.
New delphi injectors R00101DP cost about £250 each. Eyewatering when you have to replace all 4.
So buying the SAME injectors from Peugeot and they come in at around £700 each. That's simply an astonishing markup for an item that they don't even stock. So even the refurbished parts which are usually about £170, Peugeot do for about £480. So I requested that Peugeot contribute to the overall diagnostic & repair bill, and as a goodwill gesture they agreed to knock off 25%, which was about half of the markup on the injectors.
After giving the go ahead it took a total of almost 6 week to replace the injectors. This was due to not being able to get the injectors clamps from Peugeot. I suggested that they use the Ford equivalent, which were readily available, but they refused to do so. In the end they suggested that the old clamps were refitted, which I agreed to.  So again key parts less that 5 years old, and no delivery forecast - it's a commercial vehicle ffs. I raised the issue with Peugeot, but still no response.

When I went to pick the van up, it was a simple here's the bill and your keys. The van had been with them for 170 days, with an extra 280 miles on the clock and looked like it had been parked under a tree for 6 months. Oh, and the service light had been on for 250 miles. After some interrogation I also established that the oil had not been changed after the forced regen. No thoughts on the cause, and the only diagnosis I ever got was "suspect injectors".

Anyway I have had the van back for 4 weeks now, and have been monitoring the regens, and all seems to be ok.

#308 Re: General Discussion » Battery meter? » 2020-12-22 16:31:19

kenbw2 wrote:

I love this! What are the switches out of interest?

I think that one was to switch the displays on/off, and the other to activate the relay that connected the leisure battery to to the alternator, when the engine was running.
These were in the old van, these are the displays in the new one.

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#310 Re: General Discussion » Smoking exhaust » 2020-12-21 12:35:38

Fuel pressure is enormous, up to 1800bar, and injector opening measured in fractions of milliseconds. In addition there are small pre and post injections. The manufacturing process is not precise enough to meet these requirements, with typical fuel delivery tolerance of 10%. So each injector is profiled to get a timing offset to bring that tolerance down to 1%. This is the code that is passed to the ECU.
I had already checked the variance across the injector timing, and they were within 2% across the 4 cylinders. The ECU is able to measure RPM as each cylinder fires, so I expected that an overfueling injector would be detected. So if all 4 injectors are overfueling nothing would be picked up. Though I'm surprised that that the O2 sensor  does not seem to monitor during regular driving.
Anyway this would lead me to speculate as to why the jets have worn so badly and prematurely. When I asked the Delphi agent, he suggested fuel contamination.
I suspect that the the previous owner had easy access to red diesel - and recently there were reports coming out from farmers with fuel filters being blocked by high  particle levels in bio diesel.

#311 Re: General Discussion » ODB2 Extended PIDs » 2020-12-19 12:42:17

Well I'm in the final throws of getting my van back on the road, and will update on the other thread. Interesting that you mention red diesel though.
Passive regen is a continuous process as opposed to active, which is enabled and runs for maybe 20 minutes. So if the passive regen is not performing well, then eventually the DPF will clog up. Hence the "Italian tuneup" advice that is prevalent on all the forums. I can see the effect of passive burning of soot when the exhaust temperature rises on the motorway - the calculated soot value slows or reduces slightly. So overall it will reduce the need for an active regen.

#312 Re: General Discussion » Smoking exhaust » 2020-12-19 12:26:42

Next I tried to do a forced regen. I cleared the faults, and started the process. Straight away the "dpf blocked" code P1477 came back, the process would stop and the message was "replace the exhaust". With Peugeot offering no assistance, and with the DPF effectively broken, I had no choice but to go back the same dealer again.

The dealer agreed to take the van back, mid June, and I waited for the verdict. Six weeks later, I contacted them asking for an update, to be told that the fault was because the DPF was not a Peugeot part - and needed to be replaced. They thought is was not genuine because it did not have Peugeot stamped all over it.  I managed to pull the invoice that detailed the part number that was fitted, and if it was faulty then it should still be under Peugeot warranty.
I also pointed out that

The original DPF failed in less than 50k miles with a cracked core
The after market DPF failed after 100 miles
The new "OEM" DPF regens every 50 miles is blocked after 500 miles.
I also suggested it might be an idea to take the exhaust off, to see what was coming out of the engine.

So they changed their mind, and actually did some work.
Along with doing a forced regen (I really don't know how they did this) they had a look at the additive tank. This confused me a bit because you could see that regens were completing OK, because the exhaust differential pressure would drop as expected after the regen. So even though the level of the tank was right for the mileage, they managed to squeeze a litre of fluid into the tank! But at least they were doing something.
The next step was to drive the van to see what was happening.

Again it was 6 weeks before I got an update that confirmed that the DPF was not faulty, and the Peugeot thought that it might be the injectors, without any data to support such a theory. So the next step would be to check the air circuit, run with the exhaust off to see how ‘sooty’ it is and then run tests on the injectors.
A week later they confirmed that the air circuit was OK, but could not give me a forecast for the rest of the work. After complaining to senior management, they agreed to test the injectors in one weeks time.
So they pulled the injectors and proceeded to photograph them with a mobile phone, and then put them back in. They thought that the jets looked enlarged and suggested I come to garage to look at the photos! You could not make it up, the jets are 0.12mm.
I requested that they get them properly tested to see if they were within spec. Two weeks later I got the results.
It was very clear that all 4 injectors were over fueling by at least 10-20% - funny enough it was tested by the Delphi agent that I had visited a year before, who told me that there was nothing wrong with the injectors, and that I would be wasting my money getting them tested.

At this point the van has been with the dealer for 18 weeks.

#313 Re: General Discussion » ODB2 Extended PIDs » 2020-12-18 17:05:22

Reading stories from other DPF afflicted drivers, I assumed that this was the general approach by the manufacturers ie no indicators.
I have seen suggestions that people can tell by changes in engine tone or fuel consumption.

#314 Re: General Discussion » ODB2 Extended PIDs » 2020-12-16 17:57:36

vaz2121 wrote:

I think I'm getting my head around those readings............
With the advent of that 307HDI Rapier that gave us..... Me so much grief........... It was then I'm sure I found out that the FAP fluid helped bring down soot burning to a minimum requirement of 450C .........
usually a need to reach 6 or 700C .............

Hence don't force re-gen on grass or stationary on tar .......ETC

Since then I belive there's been a caveat that after a certain Vin number a different FAP fluid is required and I 'm also Led to believe that cars (it was a C4 that was being discussed in amongst AdBlue requirements of a truck) of a certain age would require AdBlue also possibly as well as (C4) FAP fluid..........
I have No Idea if this is relevant to commercial vehicles/Vans

Never mind forcing a regen, I've seen temperature readings of over 600 during an normal active regen. Beats the hell out of me why the manufacturers didn't think that customers might want to know that this is going on. Seems like it would have been sensible to alert the customer that a regen is scheduled, and allow them to actually kick it off.
To help, I've wired an led up to the mirror heating wire, so that I can see when the regen is starting (the ECU cuts in a bunch of electrical loads, to get the engine working harder, to help raise the temperatures)

yes you are right the original eolys was replaced with eolys powerflex, which needs a lot less fluid, about 4ml per 80L fill. This means that the fluid should last 150k+ miles instead of 75k, not that anyone will actually confirm this.

#315 Re: General Discussion » Smoking exhaust » 2020-12-15 17:59:01

Updating the results with the dealership, probably across several posts!!

I had booked the van in for 11th Feb - I spoke directly to the tech and service manager, advising them that the DPF was broken, then replaced and was regenerating every 50 miles, with no fault codes.
So they ran basic diag, drove the van for 10 miles, and ran the diag again - and declared "no fault found".

The average distance between regens is calculated using the last 10 regens, however since the van had only done 9 it was reading about 80 miles. This is bad enough, but the garage suggested that it "wasn't unheard off".
They point blank refused to advise a "normal" figure, but agreed that if  the average was 50 then there "might" be a problem. I knew that one more regen and the average would come down to 50 miles, so I said I would bring it back after the next regen.

So, on 2nd March after 50 miles - nothing. After 62 miles "risk of dpf blocking" P1490 light comes on, followed by "dpf blocked" P1477  23 miles later. This was bad news because having both codes mean that the regen cannot be forced, and clearly the van can not be driven.

So while I'm thinking about what to do next, I went back and looked at the diag results again. The printout from the second diag session clearly showed that the regen was actually in progress - and was only 40 miles after the previous one. How he did not spot this I don't know. I suspect that the failure of the regen at this time led to the the blocked dpf 60 miles later.

So I decided to escalate with Peugeot UK, and after a few exchanges, and one month later, they're only suggestion was "go to a dealer"

#316 Re: General Discussion » ODB2 Extended PIDs » 2020-12-15 17:09:44

At the moment I need to watch what's happening with the DPF - and will post on separate thread shortly.

So I'm monitoring
Exhaust temperature, which is normally 150 to 250, rising to 450+ when regenerating.   
Differential pressure across the the DPF, which is 1 or 2 when idle and 100+ under load, when clean.
Calculated soot g/litre
Last time the regen was run

#317 Re: General Discussion » ODB2 Extended PIDs » 2020-12-14 17:56:23

vaz2121 wrote:
tee_cee wrote:

I've been keeping myself busy trying to work out how to display live engine parameters on my 2015 Expert.
Apart from a few basic parameters that have standard PIDs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBD-II_PIDs there's a whole bunch of proprietary extended PIDs that are not public. There is very little info about this on the net, though I did find some details about a C4 on a Russian website https://www.drive2.com/l/498229676427182085/
From what I can see, unfortunately, these PIDs are not standardised across different engines

As it turns if you have Diagbox, then the data logs can reveal these extended PIds, and you can then load them into the Torque app.

It may be a little niche, but as a start I've documented an overview of the basic process here

https://blue-van.blogspot.com/2020/12/f … -pids.html

This will be very handy for anybody or myself in the future as the need to move onto "newer vans" if I can ever get my head around it .............
{Showing my ignorance}

One thing I need to ask is does this Diagbox need the Lexia OBD thingy.......
And does this work on the cloned china versions............

Yes, you will need the hardware Lexia to connect (they are all Chinese closes). The software (diagbox) can be a right pain to install - base install then a lot of upgrades, though I do see some people on ebay selling what looks like a single install.
It's fine for tinkering with options, like door locking, and reading fault codes. However a laptop is not really practical for live data.

Having this on the dash is much better I think.

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#318 General Discussion » ODB2 Extended PIDs » 2020-12-06 12:55:06

tee_cee
Replies: 14

I've been keeping myself busy trying to work out how to display live engine parameters on my 2015 Expert.
Apart from a few basic parameters that have standard PIDs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBD-II_PIDs there's a whole bunch of proprietary extended PIDs that are not public. There is very little info about this on the net, though I did find some details about a C4 on a Russian website https://www.drive2.com/l/498229676427182085/
From what I can see, unfortunately, these PIDs are not standardised across different engines

As it turns if you have Diagbox, then the data logs can reveal these extended PIds, and you can then load them into the Torque app.

It may be a little niche, but as a start I've documented an overview of the basic process here

https://blue-van.blogspot.com/2020/12/f … -pids.html

#319 Re: General Discussion » tow ready electrics » 2020-11-28 17:47:56

Yes, but be careful, the ECU will need to programmed with Diagbox to add the feature

#320 Re: General Discussion » Citroen Dispatch 2008 1.6hdi » 2020-11-20 16:35:27

Flying Scotsman wrote:

Thanks for the info. Much appreciated. Where did you source the arm rest(s) from?  I tried a few after market suppliers on the web but every time I got the same message that they did not fit the Dispatch.

Thanks again

I got them from eBay
One from someone breaking a 2003 Citroen C5 (£25) and the other listed as CITROEN C5 MK I & II ARMREST (£40)

The part numbers I had searched on were 8969, 8830 and C5, C6, C8 - but check that its the single bayonet type

Note how to remove the armrest
Move it to the upright position, push the armrest into the seat frame, then you should be able to push the armrest past the upright position, to the rear of the car, for another 25deg, and the armrest should pop out.

When I searched for the socket, the only part that I came up with was 8957JL, however this may be just for combi middle seats, with a different part for the front seats. Hence having to cut the frame to fit. So maybe this is why people will say that it will not fit (since it's not actually the right part)

#321 Re: General Discussion » Citroen Dispatch 2008 1.6hdi » 2020-11-14 13:21:10

Hi, typically expert, scudo, 806, 807, C8 dispatch seats (with base) are interchangeable - however they seem to be hard to get these days.
In my 2015 Expert I opted to fit the armrests myself. The socket appeared to be 8957JL for the drivers side, however when I got it, it did not fit - so I had to open out the hole, and cut slots to allow the socket to get in. The armrests are used in several Citroen cars, however there are 2 types - single bayonet or 2 prong - this socket is for the single bayonet. The pics show the passenger seat which used the white socket - the drivers seat uses the black.
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#322 Re: Maintenance » The mysteries of the DW8B engine » 2020-10-28 15:29:17

Jumpy-Joe wrote:

Thanks, Tee_Cee. So with the EGR vacuum tubes blocked off, the MAF is actually redundant?

Probably not, if the MAF measures the intake air temperature as well.

#323 Re: Maintenance » The mysteries of the DW8B engine » 2020-10-28 13:46:27

The MAF sensor is related to the EGR. Since diesel engines take all the air they can get, the ECU can work out the theoretical mass of air. However when the EGR opens, the air intake will reduce, so the MAF is used to measure this difference. The ECU will use this information to fine tune the EGR position and injected fuel.

#324 Re: Camper Conversions » Where to put a leisure battery » 2020-10-19 20:09:41

Shakes wrote:

I like the idea of under-the-bonnet. Aside from having to reroute the screenwash pipe, did you have to move anything else? Did you have to make some kind of bracket to hold the battery in place? It's a very neat job.

Thanks, heres the detail
http://blue-van.blogspot.com/2015/02/le … y.html?m=1

Just make sure you have a wiring route into the interior

#325 Re: Camper Conversions » Where to put a leisure battery » 2020-10-18 17:33:07

Shakes wrote:

Tee Cee I know who to call next time I need a sink plumbing in....?

Yes, of course.
I quite like to re-use whatever stuff is around me at the time.

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